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Both sides are wrong, just that Democrats are center-wrong, while Republicans are far-wrong.
They’re right-wrong. Social democracy is a centrist position, not neoliberalism.
Close y’all are almost as bad as Republicans but not quite. It’s still hella embarrassing to be associated with the democrats though.
Yeah, the larval stage of fascism at least pretends to care about human rights, even if they’re not great about actually doing anything about them.
Capitalism (or at least the current form of it) and right-wing parties should be illegalized worldwide.
As a communist… Yeah
Fucking commies, taking our tea and throwing it overboard just because they didn’t want to pay taxes. We should send an armada to put them all in jail.
Look, when Britain taxed our tea, we got frisky…Imagine what’ll happen when they try to tax our whiskey!
Im not offended as much as I am disappointed in the Democrat party, why aren’t they as cool as the Republican say they are. Whenever Trump calls them “far left communists” I think “damn I wish”, instead they’re boring center right liberals. Also I was promised by Trump that the Democrats would end capitalism, kill capitalists, instiute a worker owned economy, open the borders to immigration, enforce Trans rights, promote actual diversity, and unify the left under the red banner.
Dems are as cool as republicans because they’re the same thing. The dems aren’t going to call republicans fascist because the dems share all the same symptoms. They’re not going to call out the republicans for supporting genocide because they also support genocide. They’re not going to call out republicans on supporting the prison state because dems also support the prison state. The dems aren’t going to criticize the republicans for serving capital because the dems serve capital. Etc.
You gotta realize these politicians are agreeing on much much more than they disagree. It’s what’s not debated that’s most important.
Teenager energy right here, apparently functioning everyday life is boring and some wanna make some french style revolution cause raging hormones and underdeveloped brain. I promise you grow out of it though
41 year old here. Not everyone grows up to be a fascist repub.
Socialist right here.
Everyday life is not functioning 👍
I am very sorry for you. Let’s make a total revolution then and upend everything because Cowbee cannot function
It likely doesn’t function for you either, unless you’re a business owner or landlord
I am a landlady yes but that doesn’t change anything
Called it.
I provide service of housing in the capital city near best jobs and nightlife to 10 people. Not many want to bother even but thanks to me people have opportunity to better their lives.
I could just sell it all and buy some lazy stocks or the like and not even bother. It’s actually a bit of work to keep it all operational and provide these accommodations
Capitalist scum.
Wow aren’t you angry
Opinion irrelevant
Counterpoint, you’re literally a capitalist. Just because the system benefits you doesn’t mean it benefits the working class.
I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time
I am and it’s fucking great lemme tell you that. You should try it some time
Now that is teenager energy.
That is insanely out of touch, oh yeah ill just casually aquire capital because I have millions of dollars lying around. It ain’t like im struggling with low wages and an incredibly high cost of living. Consider talking to people outside of your circle of capitalists and maybe try talking to some working class people.
Idk my cost of living is like low as fuck 1000$ maybe maximum.
No one of you even asked or stated where you live so this whole discussion doesn’t even make sense from the start.
You are just so self centered to assume everyone is American westoid it’s not even funny
It doesn’t matter where you live, be it the US, Europe, or Australia, the cost of living is factually speaking going up in all capitalist countries while wages stagnate. The vast majority of people cannot afford to own capital, basic Capitalist economics state that the working class does not own the means of production. Also why did you just assume im American?
You’re DAFt. Hopefully you’re able to grow out of it.
I am daft punk
I know so I’ll provide some clarity: dumb as fuck twit
Make me some lasagna
Coming off as your accusations here
wanna make some french style revolution
And not smart enough to keep your ignorance of history under your hat to boot
great first impression
I’m 37 and want this.
I promise the republican party doesn’t care and just says whatever is most offensive in their eyes.
Bro, they genuinely just don’t know what words mean. Source: My Never Trumper dad who unironically called Trump a communist.
Democrats: “let’s pass some reasonable reforms to temper the ill effects of deregulated capitalism”
Republicans: “that’s socialism and you’re a Marxist!”
Youth: “we want reform so I guess we like socialism!”
Republicans: “the radical left is indoctrinating our kids!”
Democrats: “let’s pass some reasonable reforms to temper the ill effects of deregulated capitalism”
Which democrats? The fuck?
Followed by :
Democrats: “Fine we’ll do whatever you want! Just don’t call us commies!”
Can confirm. Every time the reps call Kamala a “comrade” or “Communist” I die a little bit inside.
When I heard Trump calling her “Marxis-Leninist” I was like mate you don’t even know the beginning of the beginning of even socialism.
My favorite quote from that fuckwad is “Lenin. Leh-neen, as they say.” Dude has no fucking clue
“Explain to me what you think a communist is”
I guarantee they give a wrong answer if they can even figure one out.
To be fair, most people on Lemmy.world can’t either. The vast majority of people in the west have not read Marx, or if they have done so, they have only read the Communist Manifesto perhaps once. Communism is so thoroughly demonized in the Imperial Core that only a minor fraction have even read Marx, and only a fraction among them have read more than just the CM.
They’re using a word their base is afraid of to paint their enemies in a negative light.
Their words aren’t for any of us.
They’ll change to using anarchist satanists or whatever once their base has reached somatic satiation and “communist” no longer generates enough of the right dopamine hit.
‘communist’ has been a hot word since the 50s and I don’t see any sign of it ever slowing down
Agreed … but it’s also kind of meaningless. Which it my point. It’s an emotion generating word. Not a “communicating an idea or concept” word. So when it’s said it’s only ever really used to make you react emotionally.
But you can only get so worked up with only one “hate” word. To continue the cycle they gotta add new ones to keep you keyed up.
The right doesn’t care about the idea or concept, if they found out that blurting out the meaningless phrase ‘Blaguoasrunt’ at a loud volume triggered people, they would do it, it would catch on, and people would make merchandise about it.
Regressive communications are the death of meaning, and I do not mean that casually. They take words and abuse them so much that everyone else stops caring about the word, regardless of what it meant before.
The word ‘Patriot’ is a great example. No one I know would appreciate that title because constant right wing misuse of it has twisted its meaning even in common phrases.
Oh I’m aware, believe me. The world would be a much better place if Kamala was actually a Communist is what I’m saying.
If Kamala had tried to do anything vaguely socialist while AG or Senator, they’d have gakked her like they did Harvey Milk.
Silicon Valley leadership wants to turn California into a fully techno-fascist dystopia. Nobody who has climbed the ladder as Dem, Repub, or Indie politician has lasted long against that effort. Harris isn’t an exception. She’s the kind of politician a state produces when anyone more liberal than Gruesome Newsome is systematically excluded from the party.
Exactly. The entire electoral system is a great filtering process.
Or they’ll get lucky and a new term like Trans or BLM will come along.
Hate is hate. People that hate will hate. Societies that don’t respond quickly and firmly to reduce hate will grow more hate. Etc .
Ideas come from material conditions, hatred of trans people, black people, etc. is a result of rising fascism due to decay in Capitalism and proletarianization of the Petite Bourgeoisie.
Yeah. Good ol fear leading to authoritarianism. One day maybe humans will able to teach enough history to enough humans living on earth at one time to finally learn to not repeat these cycles…
Well shit.
Democrats should ask themselves why Republicans are more worried about imaginary communists than actual Democrats
Or… just start pushing actual socialist policy; since everything gets called socialism anyway, we may as well enjoy it.
Why would they? The Democrats are one wing of a state dominated by monopolist Capitalists, they serve the monopolist Capitalists.
But which socialism? The economic socialism that those on the right hate, or the true social Socialism of which so many enjoy the fruits?
When are we going to start PUBLICLY calling out those on the right who accepted COVID stimulus checks from the government? This was a blatantly socialist program, bigger than the “Obamaphones” even (before you go off on me for citing Obamaphones, keep in mind that I believe a smartphone with service is a human right.) we’ve got all these people walking around from the right to talk about how much they hate socialism but that 3,200 seemed to come in pretty handy for most of them.
Social programs are not socialism.
You should read more and type less.
Social programs are not socialism. The covid checks were not socialist.
I’m more of a practical American socialist than a radical communist (since that’s unlikely to happen here) but it offends me because republicans are just so ignorant. The average Republican essentially has no idea what socialism, communism or fascism actually are, and conservatives have been using this as a scary label for my entire life.
Both parties agree on the standard indoctrination. They only disagree about the purpose/topics of the brainwashing. Neither party wants it to include an honest discussion about socialism, fascism, etc. It’s a self-perpetuating problem where the indoctrinators don’t even understand what this stuff means.
I’m more of a practical American socialist than a radical communist (since that’s unlikely to happen here)
Why do you say this? What’s a “practical American Socialist?”
- practical: I don’t have any delusions that the US will implement leftism more extreme than EU style socialist policies any time soon
- American: I’m from the US
- socialist: I feel the government should be involved more in regulating industries, owning certain categories of services, moderating excess wealth, and ensuring the financial/economic well-being of citizens, as opposed to the conservative style which is basically ‘well, if you’re poor then fuck off’.
- practical: I don’t have any delusions that the US will implement leftism more extreme than EU style socialist policies any time soon
The EU doesn’t have socialist policies, you’re referring to social safety nets.
- socialist: I feel the government should be involved more in regulating industries, owning certain categories of services, moderating excess wealth, and ensuring the financial/economic well-being of citizens, as opposed to the conservative style which is basically ‘well, if you’re poor then fuck off’.
So you’re talking Social Democracy, like the Nordics, not Socialism.
Not precisely as I mentioned public ownership of some industries and services that are privately owned. Healthcare and drug production would be two good examples.
Those are found in the nordics, that’s still dependent on Capitalism as the basis unless you also want to entirely restructure government.
Look, people have been debating the definition of socialism for decades, and you guys are not going to figure out here today on Lemmy World.
its pretty settled actialy, its the worker ownership of the means of production
It’s not a debate so much as a propaganda war where every state is lying.
Defeatist (based on observation of fact)
Defeatist because I’m not pushing for full communism or are you referring to something else?
The thing about defeatism is that sometimes it’s just correct, the war is lost. Socialism as in the workers owning the means of production is a currently impossible concept for America. Social democracy would need a tidal wave of the YOOTHS building a New Deal-type political coalition as the Boomers die off but it’s something you can work towards.
In order not to be confounded with economic socialists, who the right accuses of wanting everything for free at the expense of others, I always inform people that I am a Nathan J. Robinson socialist.
God I wish Harris was a radical Marxist
I was just impressed trump graduated from communist to Marxist. Getting more specific and less accurate!
Marxist is less specific than communist
I swear the republicans are running pr for democrats. Harris went from “communist” to Marxist, and not even attached to Lenin!
Republicans don’t know the difference between the types of communists.
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I laughed out loud at the debate where he said Harris’ father was a “marxist professor of economics”. That is not a thing.
What do you mean “that’s not a thing?” I don’t believe he’s ever explicitly called himself a Marxist but he has cited Marx as an influence on his works, as a professor of economics.
One of Harris’s most notable contributions to economics is his 1978 monograph Capital Accumulation and Income Distribution, which is a critique of orthodox economic theories that provides an alternative, synthesizing the work of David Ricardo, Kalecki, Marx, Roy Harrod, and others. Harris employs mathematical modeling to explore the relationship between the accumulation of capital and income inequality, economic growth, economic instability, and other phenomena, arguing that typical theories fail to adequately consider power, class, and historical context.
It seems basically true that he’s a Marxist professor of economics. It’s just not really relevant to Kamala since she’s an entirely different person.
Why not a Ricardian? I guess it doesn’t have that same zing.
If someone called him a Ricardian professor of economics and someone else was like, “Lol that’s not a thing” I’d say that the first person was more right than the second, with the same disclaimers I said in my comment.
Again, I think the whole issue is silly. Kamala is not her father. And I don’t see being a Marxist as being a bad thing. Considering how much the term gets slung around in US politics to people it doesn’t apply to at all, like Kamala Harris or Obama, I think it’s kind of silly to push back against it when it’s being used with someone who could credibly be called a Marxist. Especially when the much more clear and relevant line is that her father is irrelevant.
Also, any economist worth their salt has studied Marxism to some degree. Love him or hate him, Marx is one of the most influential economists in history!
Genuinely, watching Harris be referred to as a radical communist hurts me
Radical Marxist communist fascist or something wasn’t it. Lol
