These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,… whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.
I wonder if those folks who cast a protest vote for Jill Stein will be sleeping soundly tonight… I sure hope not. I hope they’re fucking terrified.
Hey, if they get their way, they may not be afraid of Trump. But they should still be afraid. There’s only one way to beat Nazis and their enablers, and if that’s the solution it takes, so be it, no sympathy for Nazis and their sympathizers.
Isn’t Jill Stein effectively a republican asset at this point? Like not just a spoiler candidate but one actively funded by the right?
Yes, and actively rooting for Trump to win.
You definitely are going to sleep better by not supporting any criminal with blood on his hands. There’s many other things other than voting you can do to change things for good, if you are not fine with Jill Stein and believe she’s evil don’t vote for them either
If you’re so concerned about 3rd parties being a spoiler, then you must work towards replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state.
With a more representative electoral system, people would be free to vote for those they feel best represent them, with their vote still being counted against the republicans.
State level electoral reform is possible, some states have already done away with FPTP voting, and others are voting on it!
Given how this structural flaw in our voting system can be repaired, and your high level of concern of the spoiler effect, I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your new commitment to replacing FPTP voting in your state after the election.
replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state
Yeah, well, incidentally, ranked choice voting was on the ballot in 2020. We had a sign out encouraging people to vote for it, and I talked it up to whomever it would listen when political discourse came up, but it didn’t pass, so here we still are.
Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.
The difference is I am also terrified about what will happen with the Democrats in power. About the unlimited slop being handed to the military-industrial complex so they can ship guns to Israel to continue a genocide. About the crackdown on immigrants and refugees. About the global poor being crushed under the bootheels of American-led capitalism.
To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans, something I simply cannot do. You want to vote for Harris as harm reduction, be my guest. But understand that the problems facing America cannot, and will not, be solved by voting. Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.
Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.
Totally with you!
Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.
Ah, you lost me. You see a problem, but you seem to be unwilling to accept that there are incremental steps to solving that problem, and the first step is to make sure Trump loses this election. If you aren’t doing everything you can to effect that result, you are, to put it simply, fucking up.
To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans
Netanyahu wants Trump to win, and with good reason. Harris might not have good policy with regards to Israel / Palestine, but Trump’s is indisputably worse, if you aren’t staunchly pro-Israel. Furthermore, Harris is better in pretty much every measurable metric including climate change, where Trump’s “Burn it all down” policy would doom us all.
To be clear, if I was going to be a single issue voter, climate change would be that issue, not foreign policy, because if we fuck that one up, everyone loses.
It’s cool, though - I’m sure the people dying in Gaza if Trump wins will understand that you couldn’t vote for “better” because it wasn’t “perfect”. Your 12-16 year plan for change will surely make them feel better about their situation, when Trump is encouraging Israel to do whatever they need to to end the conflict quickly.
Good! It’s a shame you were asleep the last four years!
And the thing is: Trump is not a clever man. In fact, he’s blantantly, obviously, ferociously stupid. He didn’t just appear out of nowhere. The rest of us have been watching this dog eat grass for the last 50 years.
I can’t beleive the number of New Yorkers (NYC residents and expats) that trust Trump. He has wreaked havoc across the city and metro area with terrible buildings, stiffed contractors, and constant financial mockery. His post-TV show perception has done an insane job of making even the most affected people forget what a sack of shit he his. They really think 1. He runs businesses well due to his continued financial growth and that 2. Running the country like his businesses will somehow benefit them, the national equivalent of those laid off from his private endeavors.
So anyway, that’s how I know they just racist assholes.
Hahahahhahahaha you think Trump is the last guy to feel threatened by? The dude was just the starter. There’s a whole movement now with tons of corrupt politicians who will try to get a shot at the presidency. I’m thinking about the Florida governor for example.
Americans truly are some tribal animals.
People outside the US have always been terrified of what the US president might do. Imagine if China had military bases all over the world.
We haven’t been
The Kenyan Ambassador to the UN once addressed criticism of his country’s relationship with China thusly:
“Every time the English visit Kenya, they bring a lecture. Every time the Chinese visit Kenyan, they build a hospital”
Valid take. The military industrial complex is a terrifying ordeal.
People around the world already live in terror of what USA government may do to them
Exactly. OP is most privileged take, most useless “allies”.
Then you’re showing your privilege, and clearly haven’t seen the thousands of images and videos of shredded children coming out of Palestine for the past year.
Yeah, and I plan to vote against Netanyahu’s buddy who keeps saying he should do “whatever it takes to finish the job”. Stop pretending that a Trump presidency will be better for Palestine. Literally everyone who actually cares about Palestinians in good faith knows that a vote for Harris is a vote for harm reduction.
You’re showing your privilege here by admitting you aren’t scared of Trump’s plans, which involves oppressing millions of people, because you’re confident you’re not one of the groups he plans to oppress.
A blank check is a blank check. Doesn’t matter if it comes from someone who claims they do it reluctantly, or someone who does it enthusiastically.
Okay, so if your view is that Democrats and Republicans are the same on this issue, then you’re going to need to vote based on something other than this issue.
So, aside from Gaza which you believe they are equal on, why do you prefer Trump over Harris? Do you support his campaign promises over her’s?
And if that is the only point worth voting for then so be it, but pretty sure there are vastly different stances on other things that should change your mind.
I vote bad on their records. Not their promises. Their actual policies are remarkably similar.
I’ll take the one whose “record” doesn’t include felony convictions.
You have to qualify it with “convictions,” because Harris illegally withheld evidence from defendants in multiple instances, and has openly declared her intent to continue arming the genocide (which is a felony).
I’m not sure ‘I’m voting for the person who got away with it’ is a strong endorsement.
“I’m voting for rapist” is a pretty shit message.
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As a person from Europe, who’s is living next to Ukraine, who’s girlfriend is ukranian, who’s many friends are Ukrainian, who’s many friends died due to that terrorist state: If you were eligible to vote in the US and didn’t, fuck you.
Any vote that didn’t go to Kamala, is a vote for fascism, a vote to accelerate and finish the genocide of palestine, a vote to cease support for Ukraine and a vote to help terrorists in ruzzia. If you support any of that, Fuck. You.
But I know my ukranian brothers, they will not surrender. Even if you selfish American pricks don’t support them. They will fight until they can’t fight anymore, and then they will still fight.
Unlike you, they are brave. They are heroes. They know whats fucking right.
And frankly, for all terrible things coming to the US, if you didnt vote, you deserve them all.
If you are from the LGBTQ+ community, not white or a woman, and you didn’t vote, you have just commited suicide.
I will still support Ukraine, financially. Its not much but I don’t care. And if its not enough and the worst comes, I am ready to die to save my brothers, just like my people did in the past.
I am willing to do my part, if you didn’t vote, you didnt. So one, last fuck you.
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If you are a leftist and didn’t vote. It is abso-fucking-lutely your fault.
They didnt blame the left. They blamed people who didnt vote. Be they left, right or middle. If you didnt vote you are the problem. If you didnt vote Harris you are personally reaponsible for the coming fascism in america. You are responsible for project 2025 becoming reality.
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We can blame both. People like you who enable fascism by not voting for democracy and the fascist, idiot. If you didnt vote for Harris you deserve everything Trump is going to do to you. And I say this as someone who doesnt like Harris and thinks it was stupid to replace Biden this late in the race.
And most of all we can blame the DNC for being so shit, that people preferred Trump over their choice.
And that really is it. The only ones to blame here are the Democrats! They are the ones who insisted on funding genocide and taking every opportunity to prove they’re moving ever further to the right (which they are) for the sake of courting so-called moderate Republicans, and constantly spitting in the face of genuine progressives that are supposed to be their base.
“You had better vote for us because Trump is even worse!” is the only sincere response they had for anyone concerned with their inaction on everything important from women’s rights to climate change, and their actively trying to be even worse than Trump on things like deportation and the border! It’s no wonder that people who care about these things, people who care about other people being literally genocided, didn’t want to vote for the Democrats who made a show of how much they love sending money and weapons to the genociders.
Yet so many people here even in this thread don’t want to blame the responsible party - the Democrats themselves - but instead lay it all on the people who absolutely have good reason and every right not to want to vote for these people hurting them just because the other guy might hurt them worse. That’s deeply abusive. Everyone who is saying “Fuck you for not voting!” is sickening to me. It’s bordering on victim blaming. They should be saying “Fuck you for not being remotely worth voting for!” to the Democrats! The fact that we now have another 4 years of Trump is 100% the fault of the Democrats themselves, so direct your anger at them, where it belongs.
No one has good reason to choose fascism over democracy. The non voters and third party voters did exactly that. They are the same kind of scum as MAGA and will go down in history as exactly that.
The choice was fascism A or fascism B. If you think we had a choice for “democracy” in this country you’re pitiably deluded.
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They are the same kind of scum as MAGA and will go down in history as exactly that.
What you’re saying is “marginalized people who were given a choice between which flavor of oppressive regime to vote for but didn’t choose the one I wanted them to, they’re scum and deserve whatever is coming to them and worse.” Nah, you’re the one leaning into fascism here. It’s frankly disgusting.
Fascism was already in America the moment Biden gave Israel funding for the genocide and the Democrats threw all sorts of social issues under the bus. “Not fascism” in the current state of the country was not a choice, the only difference was how fast fascism would accelerate. The Democrats chose to make their platform boring in favor of donors and lose, and the fact that so many people support Trump shows that this country has much bigger problems than just that Trump was elected. This is a problem that needs much more than just voting to fix.
You dont know what fascism is if you think it is Biden supporting Israel. Lmao but you will find out soon enough what it really is.
But thanks for proving my point that idiots dont mind fascism. You dont even know what it is!
Genocides? Concentration camps? Racial discrimination and dehumanization? Israel has all of these things and Biden is propping it up. If that isn’t fascism then what is?
Biden is not a far right totalitarian with an ultranationalist ideology. We cam argue that Netanyahu is, sure. Biden isn’t.
To not vote Harris because she would also support Israel probably is idiotic seeing how much Trump supports Israel since Trump is very close to the same ideology that Netanyahu has.
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I am really surprised that people believe one person will change whole course of US military complex.
If anything they will put someone who is representing their position, not the other way around.
Things are determined, this is just people choosing PR person.
You seem like someone who would ask “why should I vote for better oppression?” without a hint of irony.
Still, it’s good to see that you’ll be alright, either way. That’s good to know, at least. I’m glad you won’t be effected by any of this.
Jesus Christ people… these are humans who voted with concerns for themselves and their communities. Just because you didn’t get what you wanted or you did get what you wanted doesn’t mean it’s carte Blanche to say the most fucking heinous shit about each other.
They wants us divided.
Listen, either what happened is OK or it isn’t. And when you say “these are humans who voted with concerns for themselves and their communities” it makes seem like electing a felon, rapist, insurrectionist moron to the highest office is OK.
So that’s why I’m here writing to you: to fucking tell you that it’s not, and to ask you to not try to justify it or make this shit sound reasonable. It’s not.
No one is going to listen to your points if you come from a place of hatred. It may not be “okay” but it doesn’t mean someone who didn’t vote for Kamala for one reason is the same as another who may be a serial sociopath. Everyone has their reasons. You’ll reach people by talking to them about it. Not chastising them.
No one is going to listen to your points if you come from a place of hatred.
72 million Trump voters embraced the the hatred Trump spewed. Literally look at what you’re saying and apply it to what happened the other day and decide yourself if you’re wrong or right.
Get ready for all the stages of grief at the same time and I’ll warn you.
Most people get stuck on denial and anger.Lots of anger in here.
Nope! Gotta grab them by the pussy without consent while bullying and shitspeaking anything that you dislike even mildly!
Honestly it doesn’t matter who wins the election. Bam I said it.
Well it does technically matter but I don’t think it is worth getting stressed about. Your vote is just a small part in the process. If something bad happens you can deal with it then.
Like. Did people forget how insane everyday was when he was President? Like you never knew what was gonna happen he was always wanting the attention.
I woke up every day worried that we’d nuked Spain overnight.
Just as insane as it is today if you ask me
I’m just going to keep writing this horse until it fucking dies but the very first thing he did was take everything Obama did during his presidency and throw it out the window, including the pandemic playbook.
That playbook would have given us step by step instructions and reactions to deal with any type of suddenly erupting national pandemic like Ebola or coronavirus.
And because of this, which was by all measures a racially motivated attack on Obama, more than 1 million Americans died in a badly managed pandemic.
Trump’s racism killed a million Americans.
It undoubtedly exacerbated the problem for the entire world and his total kill count is likely much more than that.
How can you let somebody who genocided millions of people through racism sit in the oval office?
Se simply by popular vote because people are supporting that shit, knowingly or unknowingly
It’s a cult. They have people denying COVID ever existed. Heartily rejecting vaccines.
There’s just too much to list but it only ever makes sense if you take whatever he’s doing as right and readjust everyone around him to work does it ever make sense.
The fact that this election is even close is absolutely insane to me.
exactly what i was thinking about. it was such a tense and shameful period.
You’re not worried about him falling off the toilet and dieing?
Trump is just the useful idiot to install Vance, who’s essentially a Musk proxy.
Well, he’s a Peter Thiel proxy… but Musk is also a Thiel proxy so that can get confusing.
I don’t think anyone is, US healthcare is some of the best in the world and he can afford the best doctors. They can easily keep him alive another 4 years.
US healthcare is some of the best in the world
Who told you that? “The U.S. healthcare system ranks last among 10 high-income countries in the 2024 Commonwealth Fund report”
2 years. Immediately after the midpoint of the term, he’ll get 25th’d, giving Vance the remainder of the term and leaving him eligible for two more, which he’ll win due to the 2028 and 2032 elections both being North Korea style shams, intended to compile lists of suspected dissidents rather than decide anything.
