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If I find out you voted for Trump in 2016, I will judge you but I could forgive you.
If I find out you voted for Trump in 2020, I will judge you and will have a hard time forgiving you.
If I find out you voted for Trump in 2024, you’re dead to me. Friend, family, doesn’t matter.
I did in 2016. I was younger and angry at the world. That judgment is deserved. By 2020 I realized that I had made a terrible mistake and was sure not to repeat it. It’s good to read that you can at least understand the perspective of how someone could have at that time.
Some people never learn. This would appear to be the case for most Americans.
I think issues are too complicated for uneducated voters to understand when lectured to. People can learn, but many often only in hindsight when they experience something first hand. The educated/uneducated divide sheds light on this so obviously. Which is why it is so frustrating. Not suggesting being educated makes people smarter, but I think people who pursue education are more accepting of lecture. Obviously.
Democrats have to stop and realize this. It’s why there is no debate to be had with many Republicans. They don’t think about issues through rational extrapolation and curiosity. Everything is an emotional response to the now. They are just wired that way.
I talked with my wife about this a few days ago. Education and economic issues have a huge influence on this.
If you have issues with the huge complexity of the world around you (because of functional illiteracy) or cannot spend some time to form your own opinions (because of economical insecurity and long hours, kids make it even harder), you don’t have the capacity to engage with messsages more complex than “immigrants bad” or “Eggs expensive” - stuff that you process emotionally, not intellectually.
I think that’s what made Obama’s campaign so powerful - everything boiled down to the simple one word message “Change”.
I wish I could say the same but I can’t bring myself to cut my dad out of my life. Yesterday ended our 2 year streak of talking every day.
He learned years ago not to bring up politics with me because he knows I will destroy all of his arguments and bring receipts. He’s let a comment or two slip at a family gathering but he knows my phone’s coming out of I’m within earshot… No, dad, he was definitely friends with Epstein - here’s a quote saying so from the 90s.
I’ve thought a lot about bringing it up or at the very least what my response would be if he does. I want to tell him that he has 20 years left at best but I have to live in the world he voted for a lot longer. I want to tell him that I think my sister would be right to never speak to him again. I want to tell him that she may be young, but in 15 years my niece is going to rightfully resent him for what he supported.
But what I think I’m going to actually tell him is that he fucked up so bad that I HAVE to assume he truly does not understand the implications of this if I ever want to be able to look him in the eye again.
And every single time Trump does something shitty as president, I will be texting him what it was and why it’s bad whether he likes it or not.
Your poor father. You sound insufferable.
I just feel like after a public rapist becomes president, twice, there’s no hope for Americans. It really is hopeless by now.
This tweet assumes people care about OPs opinion, or histories opinion. It’s a toothless threat trying to invoke some Boogeyman of future retribution. Anyone who voted for Trump is going to be doing the Jennifer Lawrence “ok” reaction to this.
So why bother having you’re own morals and opinions, is what you’re saying.
No thanks.
Less people voted Trump in 2024 than in 2020. It is not that Trump won, it is that Biden/Harris lost hard.
Trump: 74 Mio. in 2020, 73 Mio. in 2024
Biden/Harris: 81 Mio. in 2020, 69 Mio. in 2024
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election
No. It is that Trump won with the support of over 70 million Americans. People are responsible for their choices. jfc
Everyone saying Trumps totals didn’t change, yes, but their composition absolutely did change. But even that is besides the point. Even if they staged exactly the same, that’s still really fucking problematic and its absurd to give these people cover for being shitasses.
Trump didnt gain or loose many voters.
Biden/Harris lost a lot of voters.
So really the change between 2020 and 2024 is not a popularity increase for Trump, but a huge popularity loss for Biden/Harris.
Now the question is, how did Biden/Harris manage to be so unpopular, that 12 million people decided to rather risk Trump winning, than vote for them again?
It’s the same group voting trump, nothing changed there, but what did change I wonder…
Yeah, Dems should have been able to put a wet turd on the ticket and beat Trump. The people who voted for Trump are the actual problem.
Doesn’t your first statement imply that the dems flubbed an easy victory? Combined with the fact that Trump didn’t gain many voters? If the election was supposed to be that easy to win, isn’t it the dem campaign strat that is the problem? HEY WHITE WOMEN YOU LIKE LETHAL MILITARY?
I’m saying Dems did better than a wet turd, and a wet turd should have been enough.
Anyone who chose to vote for Trump was the actual problem, whether they voted for him before or not. They chose violence.
Well apparently not it wasnt enough. Either the wet turd wasn’t enough or they didn’t do better than one. Either way, you’re acting like a Democrat right now. “It’s the voters who are wrong!”
The voters (and non-voters) are wrong. That isn’t acting like a Democrat, that is acknowledging that the election results were putting a fucking felon who tried to overthrow the government back into office and that is the stupidest fucking outcome possible.
That is the country kicking itself in the dick. We played ourselves.
Many of those people could have been swayed to vote democrat if the democrats fucking addressed the actual fucking issues and actually gave them a damn narrative to go by. Saying everything is fine when nothing is fine and the Republicans are constantly screwing them over (while also 100% deflecting ALL blame elsewhere) is delusional at best.
Also fuck AIPAC.
I’ve done a lot of posts critical of the posture and actions of the Democrat Party and their whole “If you don’t vote you’re voting Trump” propaganda (which are right there in my post history with lots of for and against votes), but as I see it the point being made by this tweet is different.
I don’t read this tweet as being about people who didn’t vote at all because the present day Democrat party, Democrat Candidate and Democrat President’s actions didn’t appeal to them (which is what seems to be responsible for the Democrat loss), I think it’s about people who actually explicitly voted Trump (so, none of that “implictly voting Trump if you don’t vote” bollocks but actually putting their vote on Trump)
And I absolutelly agree with this tweet: that man is a complete total worm - in everything from what he’s done to what he says and even his body language - and on top of that was offering scapegoating and hate as policies.
I can get it that some people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for the Genocidal ethno-Fascist supporting, pro-Oligarchy hard-right Neoliberal, slimy snakesoil salesman liar Democrats, but anybody actually voting Trump is not simply distrusting of or dissapointed with the modern day Democrat Party, they’re active supporters of an even broader and deeper kind of nastiness.
bitch pls. history gonna get over written with trumps magic fucking marker.
Please. It is a half eaten crayon.
I’d really like to have 100 randomly chosen Trump voters in a room and interview them to find out how knowledgeable they are about Trump, about his policies, about his first term, about the criminal cases, etc.
My guess is that at least 90% of them are brainwashed. I’m sure there are some that are completely aware of his record and are either single issue voters who are voting only on abortion. Some may be multi-millionaires who are voting just for lower taxes and don’t care about anything else. But, anybody who voted for him because of inflation / the economy has no idea what they’re talking about. Inflation was a worldwide problem and Trump’s policies made / will make it worse. Anybody who voted for him because he’s going to “fix immigration” has no idea what they’re doing because his policies are incoherent and will never work. Anybody who voted for him because of Gaza is an absolute moron because he’s just going to encourage the genocide.
You’re just pitching a story the NYT and the WaPo run regularly. “I heard it on a podcast, I heard it on FOX News, I heard it at church”. That’s the response you get.
Don’t trust liberals to give you the news. Only trust conservatives. Viola! Now you’ll have a strong Republican dogma.
Viola?
Remember the time we elected a child rapist twice, pretty cool huh
Unfortunately I don’t think most of these people care about being judged, especially not by some future people who they’ll never meet.
As long as they see benefits in the short term, they’re happy, and if the benefits don’t materialize or go away too quickly, then it’s The Other Side’s fault somehow.
Well said.
My unfortunate observation is the majority of people who voted for Trump don’t pay any attention to current events and basically get their news via rumor. But if you want the true culprit, it’s the 15 million Democrats that voted last time but not this time. The votes for Trump actually went down compared to last time.
I fit was a few million less I would blame voter suppression via things like purging voter rolls. But the drop is so drastic it is clear the problem is that at least 10+ million people simply chose not to vote against an obvious threat to the country because the Dem candidate for President wasn’t appealing enough.
Yea that’s what they’re saying isn’t it. 15 million people vanished out of thin air. Interesting
Well 114 million people who could have voted this year didn’t. It’s a combination of apathy and laziness. We could be like Australia and mandate the vote.
Republicans won’t allow it. They win when people don’t vote, it’s a fact. They now dominate the legislative, so you can forget about it.
The real solution is to raise the interest of people in politics. Look at the south.
Well… I do judge them for their choice in political party when that party’s entire platform is built up on those things.
The religious fanatic psychopaths behind the scenes of MAGA, if successful in their goals, will ensure there is no history.
Dark times is an understatement.
I could understand Trump in 2016. I could also understand Trump in 2020 but much less. In 2024? Nahh… America voted for him in 2024 and I will judge Americans for it.
in 2016 Trump was the one who mocked soldiers, was on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy, vilifying immigrants, and being just as shitty as he is today. There was nothing understandable about voting for him in 2016.
You know what they call someone who votes for a fascist? A fascist.
