Thousand times this. For actual builders that care about the nuance it all probably makes sense but then there is me over here looking at pre-builts wondering why the fuck are two seemingly identical machines have a $500 difference between them.
I’m spending so much time pouring through spec sheets to find “oh the non-z version discombobulator means this cheaper one is gonna be trash in three years when I can afford to upgrade to a 6megadong tri-actor unit”.
I’m in this weird state of to cheap to buy a Mac and can’t be arsed to build my own.
Yeah, and when you check the detail pages of the games and other software you are upgrading it for it’ll turn out the 6 megadong tri-actor unit should work well in general, but there’s a certain crashing bug near the end of this game I already bought that the devs haven’t patched yet…
And even after all those considerations modded Minecraft will be just about functional.
Just go here and check the charts for the kind of work you want the PC to do. If one looks promising you can check specific reviews on YouTube.
For gaming the absolute best cpu/gpu combo currently is the 9800x3d and a rtx 4090, if you don’t have a budget.
Yes the part naming is confusing but it’s intentional.
Gamer’s Nexus
R*TX 4090
Yes the part naming is confusing but it’s intentional
Yes, that’s what people are upset about.
For very broad definitions of “convention”
Just don’t rent one from NZXT.
If you are blindly renting things without doing numbers you have bigger issues.
Always read and do long term calculations
Problem is that a lot of “influencers” advertise it to teens as an easy way to get a new computer.
I think that is more on the teens and there parents.
Meanwhile the data i care about, efficiency, is not readily availlable. I’m not gonna put a 350 watt GPU in the 10 liter case if i can have the same power for 250 watt.
At least TomsHardware now includes efficiency in tests for newer cards.GamersNexus has start add efficiency score in frame / joule. Also have full writeup of video on website.
Tell me about it. The numbers that I’m interested in - “decibels under full load”, “temperature at full load” - might as well not exist. Will I be able to hear myself think when I’m using this component for work? Will this GPU cook all of my hard drives, or can it vent the heat out the back sufficiently?
I wish this was data was more available. I got a GPU upgrade 6800xt and it’s so loud. I can’t enjoy sitting at my desk without hearing a loud whine and a bunch of other annoying noises. Its probably because the card is 2nd hand but still.
Temperature is meaningless unless you want oc headroom. A watt into your room is the same no matter the temp the part runs at.
That’s not correct, I’m afraid.
Thermal expansion is proportional to temperature; it’s quite significant for ye olde spinning rust hard drives but the mechanical stress affects all parts in a system. Especially for a gaming machine that’s not run 24/7 - it will experience thermal cycling. Mechanical strength also decreases with increasing temperature, making it worse.
Second law of thermodynamics is that heat only moves spontaneously from hotter to colder. A 60° bath can melt more ice than a 90° cup of coffee - it contains more heat - but it can’t raise the temperature of anything above 60°, which the coffee could. A 350W graphics card at 20° couldn’t raise your room above that temperature, but a 350W graphics card at 90° could do so. (The “runs colder” card would presumably have big fans to move the heat away.)
That is fundamentally not how PC cooling works. Each part is a closed system, with the PC an open system so long as you have fans. The heat sink temp over ambient could be what you are looking for, but that still would not work that way if you are looking at hot spot temps. If you tried to run a thread ripper at 500W in a closed space the air temp would end up hotter than than a 350W Graphics card. But the CPU if not throttling would have a temp over ambient of about 30c and the gpu core would be about 45c over ambient. The effect on your room will be that the 500W cpu raises the ambient temp more than the 350W gpu over the same period of time. The air in your room is what is cooling the components. Air at a given humidity has a specific heat capacity and will be your limiting factor. With your bath example you would need to have a much larger capacity of 60c water to melt the ice since the specific heat of water doesn’t change when a liquid.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the 1st law of thermodynamics and what a “system” is as relating to the 2nd.
For your HDD you want them to run 45-60c. running them colder will impact their life span. The drive will try to heat up if under 30c to prevent damage.
I recently had to go through this maze. I hate it. And I’m glad that my PCs tend to live ~10y, this means that I’m not doing it again in the foreseeable future.
60% or 60 percentage points ?
Wouldn’t that be the same thing with no other percentages in sight because we’re subtracting from 100%?
I have no idea, that was just a tongue in cheikh reference to that other thread
Fortunately there are resources that make a good starting point because I agree; naming schemes are a shit show. I generally start with this and go from there research wise. https://www.logicalincrements.com/
Just buy AMD 😜
Honestly my preferred manufacturer since I started putting together my own machines.
Make sure to get your 5900x3d with your 7900XTX. Note that one is a CPU and the other is a GPU. For extra fun, their numbers should eventually overlap given their respective incrementation schemes. The 5900x3d is the successor to the 5900xd, which is a major step down in performance even though it has more cores.
I’m gonna give this award to Intel, which has increased the numbers on their CPU line by 1000 every generation since before the 2008 housing crash.
It’s so annoying when you buy a GPU instead of a CPU.
They already do overlap, 7000 series CPUs have been out for a while. As have the 5000 series GPUs.
I assume you haven’t seen the latest series of processors from Intel…
Just ordered another CPU from them. Downside is that there isn’t any modern AMD desktop platform that works with coreboot, which seems to be the only workable way to deactivate the Management Engine/Platform Security Processor after boot.
Was really considering to swap to Intel for that, but got a good deal on a Ryzen 9 that fits in my socket, so…
AMD is one of the worst with naming
Explain yourself.
Explain how AMD naming works. I’m so confused as it is pretty hard to understand plus they randomly will violate there own conventions.
They had at least two or three halfway sensible naming schemes, which they then proceeded to abandon after like one generation.
I fault marketing department at the chipmakers that are trying to somehow justify their existence.
I always go by the rule of the larger the number/more letters the better. The exception being M that usually means it’s made for mobile devices.
i’ll trade you my geforce 9500 for your 4090.
Ok maybe also look at the year the card was released too.
Q. E. D.
how about my geforce 9500 for your vega 64?
The other exception being monitors, which are named by connecting three keyboards to one computer and then rolling a bowling ball across all three.
No one really knows how that method was established, but it’s industry standard now.
They know people like you are the majority, that’s why, specially when it comes to low-end hardware, they up the price while selling you the same or worse performance just because the part is newer.
They periodically run out of integers so they have to reuse old ones.
Intel used to have decent naming…
I’m going to buy an entry level motherboard …
This is what keeps me from being a pc gamer.
i mean dumb naming schemes isn’t just a PC thing. Remember how the Xbox 360 is 359 faster than the Xbox One
Don’t buy the Xbox One X, that’s old, you need the Xbox Series X ffs so obvious!
USB 3.2 gen 1
Yeah now I start to understand why people go mad over nvidias pricing I mean the 4090 costs like what 1500, 2000 bucks? Meanwhile the 6100 cheaper than the shipping cost y’all’re getting ripped off —shitpost
