Splattering lives is okay,but shattering such windows is the promotion of violence? Honestly? 🔨
In capitalist US, property is more valuable than human life.
Remember: You can take lives to protect property, you cannot damage property to protect lives.
Who told you that?
Rittenhouse
He was damaging property to protect lives?
His stated purpose of being there and taking his gun was to protect property (by taking lives if necessary) from people who were damaging property in order to protect lives (the BLM protests).
by taking lives if necessary
That’s an aside you’re imbuing, he never said the above.
Huh. I don’t really consider Kyle Rittenhouse a valid source of my moral philosophy, so I’ve never heard his manifesto before.
Ah, so that’s why they try to reestablish slavery. Make people property again to protect them. Got it!
In fairness, my dogs are considered “property” and I value both of them far more than the human who put this on their vehicle.
Thats just called familial priorities tho. Doggo is fam.
Property is more valuable than human life everywhere in the world. For example, two million children die from hunger each year. 7$ will protect a child from malaria for a season. I could save so many lives by selling everything I own and donating it to charity, and yet I don’t. And neither do you, or most of the rest of the world.
Life has value. Each of us estimates our own life to be invaluable, but the life of those farther and farther away has less and less value for us. Not because it’s not actually worth less, but because we’re tribal beings. We care about ourselves first, then our tribe, then if we have any extra resources we might care about other tribes too.
But yeah, what I’m saying is I’d let the entirety of lemmy die for a crisp 1$ note and I’d lose no sleep about it, y’all were born in the wrong tribe.
You’re a bad person and you should stop pretending your selfish disposition is natural and immutable simply because you’ve noticed others are too. There are reasons people behave the way they do and those reasons can change.
It’s some weird sort of sarcasm/projection. He does not really mean it, I have been there, been edgy before…
Property is more valuable than human life everywhere in the world.
No not really. There are lots of places where it wont fly in court when you kill someone to protect your property. In the US it does, all the time. They frame it differently and cry self defense or something, but we all know what actually happens.
The mod might be referring to the sticker itself. “Don’t post bumper stickers that promote violence.”
Then the mod should have posted the comment as it’s own comment and pinned it to the top.
Another reason to stay out of the usa. Not just anecdotal, we’re talking about a country where walking on a public street can be illegal, and people who do are sometimes called a slur.
Because cities aren’t for people to live in, they’re for cars to drive trough
In general, the US seems to be weirdly pro-violence.
Being beaten up is portrayed as perfectly normal in media and advocating for violence (like here) seems to be totally okay for many.
That’s fucked up.
It’s strange because we also have an extreme culture of litigation, and so much as an unwelcome or aggressive touch (without injury) could technically support a civil lawsuit or criminal charges for assault/battery.
The difference is that we apply justice differently depending on your political belief, so the acceptable violence is usually one-directional. Any violence by left protestors will be treated akin to terrorism. If you’re a right wing crazy harassing people protesting for a left cause, police will look the other way and you may not even be convicted for murder (e.g., Rittenhouse). Worse, the police are usually the ones being irrationally violent - like the George Floyd protests in which nonviolent civil protest was suppressed with military-level equipment, tactics and violence.
Breaking News: third world country has a corrupt legal system. Citizens shocked. More at 11.
It’s because we have a lot of repressed rage because we know deep down we really are one of the shittiest countries, despite what all the cousin-humping country singers keep caterwauling about.
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug.
I remember visiting another country as an American high-school student. We were shocked and overjoyed that BOOBIES could be shown on network television. It’s insane some of the violence that’s totally fine to show, but definitely not a woman’s nipple!
In Australia as kids we always decoded the international tv station’s abbreviation (SBS, special broadcast service) as Saggy Boobs Shows
There’s little restriction to what is shown in Australia, especially after 9pm
Walking on a street can be illegal? How? Can you expand a bit on that, please?
“Jay” is an old English slur. “Jaywalking” refers to walking on a public street illegally. For highways, it makes sense that you’re not supposed to walk there. But in America this “jaywalking” can even apply to city streets.
If you’re not in America, then it might just sound ridiculous. That’s because it is
For highways, it makes sense that you’re not supposed to walk there.
Americans have created such a large and dense web of highways that it is difficult to cross the street in some areas without walking miles in a given direction to reach a crosswalk.
Houston, in particular, has this bad. You can easily find yourself near a freeway or overpass that sends you on a 20-30 minute hike to cross the street.
I once got yelled at by a cop for walking across a nearly empty road in columbus Ohio.
The closest crosswalk was basically 1/4mile in either direction, because the building I was trying to enter is so large.
I was walking with a cane at the time. And no cars were anywhere close so a snail could have made it across with time to spare. It took some people close by stepping in and arguing for me before the Douchebag dropped it.
Im sure if I had looked my usual level of disheveled or had any other shade of skin I wouldn’t be so “lucky”
Why would anyone want to live in such a place?
The land is (re: was) cheap
Fair fair
It’s where my family and friends are.
I’m sorry to hear that
A combination of inertia, the cost and difficulty of moving, and being lied to from birth about how amazing this country is and it’s the best country in the world and everyone else has it bad and are jealous of us, propaganda reinforced by daily recitations of our pledge of allegiance in school for twelve plus years.
And that’s not made up or exaggerated.
If I didn’t know the context I’d think you’re talking about north korea
Yeah, it’s kinda scary when you think about it
I’m european.
Walking on a highway is just plain dangerous, to not say stupid. On that context, it is justified. Crossing the road outside the zebra crossing can get you fined, as you are endangering yourself and others. We have those laws as well. But walking on city streets? I can’t remember one in the entire country which I can’t walk up and down.
Yeah European roads are either stuck where they are for historical reasons or built to be safe.
Exactly, weird is it not?
Very.
Has anyone actually been charged with jaywalking in the past 50 years tho? I’ve never heard of anyone giving a shit in any town or city I’ve been to in the US
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“Watch this, he’s going to jaywalk,” one of the cops says as they pull up to Reinhold.
The other responds, “Don’t make case law.”
The cops knew that they were going to escalate the situation from before the encounter ever started.
Yeah, let’s just ignore that he refused to simply go back to the sidewalk when directed to, that he physically resisted being led back to the sidewalk, and that he then went for the cop’s gun, and that he wasn’t shot until he did that.
Just ignore all that, make your assumptions, and call me a bootlicker if it makes you feel better. Doesn’t change the facts.
Nice bullshit headline that implies the cops are just so racist (gotta be sure they mention the jaywalker’s race, right?) that they saw a black guy jaywalking and just decided to gun him down for it. Meanwhile, from a better article:
At some point during the struggle, Reinhold grabbed hold of Israel’s gun in its holster. Duran shot Reinhold twice after he continued to resist arrest and kept his grip on the gun, prosecutors said.
The deputies gave voluntary statements to investigators that were corroborated by surveillance video, witnesses and forensic evidence, the letter said.
Gee, not so cut and dry after all, huh?
“Watch this, he’s going to jaywalk,” one of the cops says as they pull up to Reinhold.
The other responds, “Don’t make case law.”
Yes, it is cut and dry that they were planning on doing something horrible and using the jaywalking as an excuse to start the encounter.
I see you deleted your other bootlicking comment and replaced it with this one. Feel free to keep trying, bootlicker.
Yes, it is cut and dry that they were planning on doing something horrible and using the jaywalking as an excuse to start the encounter.
Yeah, let’s just ignore that he refused to simply go back to the sidewalk when directed to, that he physically resisted being led back to the sidewalk, and that he then went for the cop’s gun, and that he wasn’t shot until he did that.
Just ignore all that, make your assumptions, and call me a bootlicker if it makes you feel better. Doesn’t change the facts.
That’s someone being shot for being black. Were there no jaywalking law, the cops would have found another excuse
I’m in the Netherlands, I’m not bothered
There are jaywalking laws where you can be stopped for crossing against the light, against the right of way in general, etc. Not sure what the slur is. I think Jay used to be a mild insult?
I saw a cartoon on here once with an out-of-towner complaining about all the horse-carriages in this “Jay town” but I can’t find it.
Jay used to mean country folk. Jaywalking was walking on city roads like it was the country, because city roads are for cars where country roads had little, horse powered, transport
I saw a cartoon on here once with an out-of-towner complaining about all the horse-carriages in this “Jay town” but I can’t find it.
Good ol’ Everett True https://lemmy.today/post/18753176
do you think redneck is a slur too?
how about dork?
What would your mom think?
My favorite retort to those advocating for running over protesters:
If it’s OK for you to run over protesters blocking your path on the highway, it’s also OK for me to set fire to your car if you park it in the bike lane.
My ex father in law was badly injured running into a car broken down, parked in a bike lane (there wasn’t anywhere else they could have stopped). He was training for a triathlon which he didn’t get to participate in, nursing two broken arms
Sometimes even without the help of arseholes your bike lane may be blocked. Look up regularly, people.
there wasn’t anywhere else they could have stopped
so there wasn’t a road?
The dude wasn’t looking up. this was 1000% his fault, jesus christ.
I don’t drive. I ride everywhere. And someone going head down teararse completely ignoring everything around them is a fcking idiot. This time it was a car. Coulda been a pedestrian, an animal, even trash, same result. The dude failed basic 101: be aware of your surroundings
Cool story. Car shouln’t have been on the cycle path regardless.
Ideally, yeah and I hate cars as much as anyone, but if my car broke down I would probably do the same. If the car broke down then that is the one situation that I cannot blame a driver for parking in the bike lane
Again, why not on the road??
It’s pretty much a highway. Dangerous to stop on, and the shoulder was turned into a bike lane. Beyond the bike lane on that stretch was a ditch the car couldn’t cross without damage.
I’m presuming they were broken down, it’s the usual reason for someone to abandon a car kilometres from the city or suburbia. They may have been pulled over by police and not allowed to continue due to drunk driving.
It really was a crap situation where the car had no other safe option and the cyclist would have been okay had he looked forward instead of down.
the cyclist would have been okay had he looked forward instead of down.
Just like any approaching car. This is just valuing the life and well being of car users more than cyclists.
I agree with you on the caring more about car users part, except that the shitty infrastructure caused that scenario. If there’s no where to safely emergency park a car except for the bike lane that’s on the town or city and where the anger should be directed.
I’m a timid person and won’t ride a bike in my town because of how narrow the shoulders are and there’s always gravel, sand and debris on it. It freaks me out too much, which sucks since I’d prefer to do that since it’s more affordable.
If there’s no where to safely emergency park a car except for the bike lane that’s on the town or city and where the anger should be directed.
Ok, but that’s my point, it wasn’t safe to park on the bike lane and it never is. Where do the bikes go even if the cyclist sees it beforehand? On the road.
If I have to choose between endangering someone in a metal cage or someone who has only air separating their meat from the road, I will choose the former, always.
Even better is to push for better infrastructure so no one is in danger?
This is just acknowledging that sometimes things suck. I’m not saying the cyclist was at fault, just that he would have been better off if he had looked ahead at least once in the half a kilometre the car was visible for.
Yeah, I am a huge bicycle advocate. My dream is to live in a car free place, but riding your bike without looking where you are going is both illegal and insane to me. Keep your eyes on the road (in front of you) while driving or riding.
safe option
severely injured cyclist
Pick one. Just saying, whatever the situation, it obviously wasn’t a safe option.
Yeah, but to know which car to burn down you’d have to see them run over you and by that time ur dead.
Well we don’t have bike lanes so I’d say go for it
I’d downvote you for being smug but man, if whatever shithole you live in doesn’t even have bike lanes your day-to-day has got to be miserable enough already.
It just means you have to have a car, or have Uber money or be good friends with someone with a car. There are zero other options.
Rural America?
No I’m in a metro area with over 2 million people, just not in the very center of it. But still solidly in what you would call the city. There are no sidewalks, bike lanes, buses, trains… not even shoulders on the road. Just occasional memorials to dead pedestrians and cyclists.
Houston? I lived in Texas for a year and I couldn’t believe how few sidewalks there were. I was forced to walk on the edge of people’s lawn a few times and one guy actually ran out of his house and started screaming at me. He truly rather see me walk in the middle of the road and get ran over than see a young service member safely walk on his grass. The kicker was that he had a big American flag out in front which is peak irony because one cannot love their country if they do not love their fellow countrymen
I wouldn’t park in a bike lane because I’m not an idiot.
I also wouldn’t block a live roadway for a protest as it is just inconveniencing others and would only alienate them from the cause I’m trying to advocate for, also because I’m not an idiot.
How can anyone be so lacking in self awareness?
It gets easier to understand once you accept that some people just operate on bad faith.
It’s a requirement for maga.
This is reddit mods in a nutshell
Similar story to how I ended up IP banned.
Story about a politician advocating for killings and kangaroo court imprisonments> i make a comment saying “yeah this guy is gonna end up dead if he tries this” > banned for threats of violence. … appeal, arguing that it wasn’t a threat. Just an acknowledgment of political volatility… suggested mods were politically biased for seeing it that way. > appeal rejected and permabanned
edit - I understand reddit mods dont issue IP bans, but I was hit for ban evasion after abandoning a cooked account that they refused to let me appeal. the ban evasion rule is a “gotcha” to make people , any and all . to go away. I only say that this time it was an IP ban because I had been perma’d before, only to immediately move to a new account I already had made (and on the same device no less).
my guess was algorithms improved /s
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If I saw this, I would shatter it… in Minecraft only, of course.
Ah yes, the ol Minecraft defense. We almost had you.
God, I feel the same. Then I started to wonder if I could find some of mark rober’s fart liquid and find some way to put it in a dissolvable capsule that I could place at the gap between the hood and the windshield.
The “logic” goes like this: (sarcasm)
It’s ok to burn down the planet for profit. It’s ok to destroy the ecosystem on which we all depend for food, clean water. It’s ok to make bombs and sell them to those dropping them on hospitals and children. It’s ok to pollute the air with deadly particles no one can avoid.
But you just CANNOT… you just CANNOT be in a way of someone carrying a few tons of steel of a metal cage through a city. That’s not something that we as a society will accept
Keep your murder-machine out of my city. Please.
what kind of degenerate sub is that lol
The Reddit kind
There are a few good subs, typically the same ones that didn’t protest the API changes and just kept on like they have been keeping on
Anyone manage to find the actual comment link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bumperstickers/comments/1hnl472/comment/m42lf0u/
Going back to this wretched place gave me PTSD…
Probably fictional. Otherwise OP would have linked to it
Someone provided a link 6 minutes before you replied.
We should all always assume that any screenshot is fake unless they provide a link to the source.
You can believe everything is true, or you can believe everything is fake. Either way requires no thought.
Or you can believe things to be true when proper citations are provided.
And report potential misinformation to mods for deletion.
So you waste the mods time reporting everything posted?
There’s a world of difference between asking for a source and saying “no source so it’s fake, reporting.”
We have standards here on Lemmy, and that includes fighting against low effort posts and spreading misinformation.
The mods aren’t doing enough. Its our job to help them identity this content.
Yeah, the text is too straight, it should curve with the window.
You did it, you fit the entire US vibe into one picture!
Trucks and SUVs are being weaponized today in the same way airliners were weaponized in 2001.
What ?
Ok, I no longer regret incentivizing violence, as this mod is downright incentivizing something alright.
I don’t mean to be pessimistic, but “Nobody cares about your protest” seems true. Fuck cars BTW
People who don’t care usually don’t bother decorating their cars with the thing they totally don’t care about.
so we should murder them? come on.
the disruption is the point of the protest. stop criticizing marginalized groups for how they choose to engage in civic action
me when my unpaid full time job is to virtue signal on a bumper sticker sub reddit
Yeah, you seem totally different
Fuckcars was a reasonable community in the beginning but once karma farming started it went 0 tolerance quick. It’s like some militant vegan energy vampire mod saw the potential and took it. Now it’s some matrix situation where they feed off a constant flow of rage.
Reddit and mostly all “social” media only care about engagement. Psychologists have found out that negative information has a significantly higher chance of user engagement to respond (comment, share) than positive information
It’s why ragebait is so effective and why it’s everywhere (even Lemmy and BlueSky,)
