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“Stop being intolerant that I’m a fucking asshole!”
This is my attitude whenever someone complains about there being too much ‘politics’ in everything.
Everything touches politics, but we only notice it when it adversely effects us. The people who take as granted that politics is it’s own thing are usually the people who are the most privileged by it.
I think I can explain the bad taste the comic leaves in my mouth regarding politics (and generally a lot of the discussion). It’s not that everything isn’t politics, it’s that everything is being framed as “two-sided politics”, black/white, red/blue. An argument can be made that with “the system”(america), yes voting action can be viewed that way. But it’s subjugating the entire conversation 100% of the time.
For instance, what policy is this comic critiquing and bringing awareness too? It feels like the lowest effort-bottom of the barrel attempt at a political cartoon for the clicks and ragebait. It’s not calling attention to any individuals or organizations involved, it’s a satirical stabbing for communities that are really hurting.
Idk, I think it’s VERY SPECIFICALLY about trans rights, but I just can put my finger on why…
I’ll just blanket reply @Snowclone@lemmy.world and @nahostdeutschland@feddit.org here since it’s all basically the same response I’m getting with attempts at insults sprinkled in.
I guess I’m reiterating, “This is a shit comic that does nothing for anyone but the creator getting rageclicks.” It’s the difference between Dane Cook or George Carlin stand up, punching up or punching down, etc. “656 anti trans bills” (please actually link useful facts snowclown 1,2) This comic didn’t bring up a single one of them, or their authors or their districts where efforts could be made to make progressive movements.
but again, I’m critiquing the comic and it’s attempt at … being something? I suppose I feel it’s more harmful than helpful, helps incite more rage than awareness. It’s an absurd scenario in which a maga person looking at this “knows” they wouldn’t stab someone so they can shrug off the hyperbole (while still supporting politicians that undermine transrights). On the progressive side we just have bullshit political polarization.
There’s deeper conversations and fundamentals to get into which can be debated but irregardless my only gripe is “it’s a lazy comic taking easy swings at low hanging fruit that just further muddies the water instead of progressing anything”. I think if you’re going to be faux-edgy, you should probably stay out of making such direct political statement cartoons.
I think you actually don’t like the message of the comic, because if you didn’t like it or thought it was lazy, you would probably move on.
For me, this comic represents my lived experience. I have had people in my life literally say “It’s just politics” and call trans people sexually deviant pedophiles at the same time. And if you haven’t had that happen to you, good for you. But I like the comic because it is simple, short, and pretty good at conveying that feeling.
Sorry if that feels lazy to you, art is subjective, but I think the message of this is pretty fucking obvious because of its simplicity.
I try to reply instead of downvoting, healthier for discourse and sometimes opens up new perspectives from others. I also try not to abandon conversations (though I have hundreds in my inbox I haven’t gotten to).
I don’t appreciate the shift in trying to pin me with your own thoughts so probably best to end the chain, but I’ll still validate and not argue your experience because it is art (begrudgingly admitted) and you are human.
Eh, fair enough. I was a bit rude there, but the intent is that while I agree this isn’t a super complex piece of art, I don’t think it needs to be. I would even argue that by making the message as simple as possible, it does what it sets out to do quite well, which is to physically represent the emotions of the author. Maybe they don’t match yours, but that is the subjectivity of it. I know that I would be quite dismissive of other webcomics, but I would likely dismiss it for the subject matter, and not the quality. Webcomics tend to be a fairly simple medium, so I let a lot of things pass for it.
Isn’t it totally obvious what the comic is critiquing? There are too many people out there who vote for racist parties that want to eliminate people in their social circle and that are totally butthurt when they get called out for that and are bitter when those people don’t want to have anything to do with them afterwards. “It’s just politics”
I agree. The bad taste is not that while not wrong per-se, it’s just reduces a complex issue into “red bad” while wholly failing to acknowledge that Democrats have been complicit in facilitating the Overton Window this far.
“Progressives” are really hard on the “REPUBLICANS DID THIS!” and never really pick up on the “and Democrats met them half way.”
This blue no matter who reduction hopes to hide liberalism is the slow road to fascism.
The problem isn’t meany racist MAGAts. It’s the entire system spending decades working overtly toward fascism with a bunch of clueless fucking rubes staring complacently.
“The real problem with this murder is that the police didn’t do enough to stop it. You should blame they police just as much, if not more, than the murderer.”
No, the murderer is to blame. Yes, you can criticise those that should have prevented it for not doing more, but the people actually doing the bad thing are worse than the people not stopping the bad thing.
If someone stole your wallet the person who stood there and watched it happen is not the person you should be focusing on.
Yes, they are part of the system. You’re so eager to disagree you don’t understand you’re making my point.
You all won’t be able to fix anything if you’re more focused on what feels good to yell about you can’t focus on the root cause.
I seriously had a Right-Wing friend of mine try to tell me that
“The Trans needed some pushback because they were simply demanding too much” Card
Which hurt, especially with a “You need to learn to compromise, we’re not asking much. It’s not going to tear your arm off to put biologically accurate data onto government documents.” Stat Boosting Spell Card he threw down when I pointed out that Trump was ordering people to put M’s on Transwomen’s documentation
I’d never been more insulted in my life. Bro had no clue he was legitimately saying the modern version of “Look the Government just needs to know your background, wearing that Star of David in public isn’t going to get you killed.”
Thankfully he was willing to listen when I pointed that goof out to him… He’s still a Right Winger who’s now willing to walk back his statements in favor of “Agree to disagree”
I love my friend and I’d stand up if his rights were being violated, I’m just horrified to realize he absolutely will not show me the same decency.
God, does the “Asking for too much” card drive me fucking crazy.
These darn queers and their desire to walk the streets without the risk of being beaten to death, how dare them!i used to follow ytubers like that they will listen to reason, but was still “anti-wke this or that” something changed during the pandemic and then went full maga.
Ugh, I hate Right Wing Youtubers. You can see Google’s political bias on full display with them. I always find it suspicious that non-political youtubers can’t say “Kill” in ANY context without it being counted as a swearword on par with the N-Word…
But Right Wingers can say the most hateful shit and are still allowed to have a channel with PragerU platforming LITERAL CHILD ABUSE yet still being allowed to do a show targeted at kids.
There was this DBD Youtuber who was spitting straight facts about the horrible decisions made with the game, and then he moves from his first point (bullshit nerfs that feel so random that it’s likely play testing wasn’t done with them) to talking about how the game is “Unrealistic” and to that I said
“Okay… it’s a dark cartoony game where you play Hide and Seek with Freddy Krueger and the Xenomorph, it 's not meant to be reali… Ah THERE we go.”
Why did I say “THERE we go!” Because he immediately jumps to “Like 1/5 of the cast is canonically gay! But there’s only like .0001% of people who are gay in real life”
And I had to point out that “You were cooking… until you got really homophobic.” in the comments
He actually responds to me and gets into a shouting match.
He goes on and on about how the character David King was “Clearly intended to be a straight man”, because his backstory “Had him be VERY manly!”, and that it was an attack on him personally that he was “Changed to be gay”
I calmly told him that the devs can do whatever they want with their characters. I mean yeah if they said “Oh , btw, Laurie Strode’s a lesbian”, that’d be bad because the job of the guest characters is to show them as they were IN THEIR ORIGINAL FILMS! But… they didn’t make Laurie Strode gay, they made David King, a character Behavior created themselves, gay.
He gave me the same bullshit about “David King’s original story had him being manly!”
I pointed out that David King’s CURRENT story still had him be manly, and that manly men exist in the gay community (With David being something of what they call a “bear” in the gay community), oh and the big one… this wasn’t some recent out of nowhere Overwatch-style retcon, he’d been hard confirmed as gay VERY early on… So, wasn’t sure why he was complaining.
Because I knew that (very common and well-known piece of information), I outted myself to him as “ONE OF THEM!!111”, and he said something to me I’ll never forget.
That I was one of the “queers” ruining America, who was as he put it “Offended by Everything and Ashamed of Nothing!”
Now that was the most mask off he’d been all conversation.
I simply asked what was it he felt that I had to be ashamed of… Never got an answer, so I can only assume he didn’t know himself.
Later I found I was subscribed to him, likely had done so early on in his vid. He was live-streaming killer and complaining about a well-known Youtuber who exposes Toxic Players in the DBD community… The whole stream it was nothing but shitting on this Youtuber for, and get this, defending gay gamers from homophobic bullies instead of “Letting them get what they deserve for shoving it down people’s throats.”
When I realized this I left the stream, downvoted, and unsubscribed.
I wish him well and hope he changes, but since I know he’s unlikely to, deep down I hope he’s having a rusty nail shoved up his dickhole and that it gets infected.
I’ve sadly since learned that the homophobe not only was still at the homophobia game, but had gotten the slogan “Ally to the Community” trending through the Toxic Side of the community as a backhanded way of insulting… anyone Pro-LGBT affiliated with DBD.
My point is, I just hate people who do nothing but hate and how they that despite being the clear aggressor, seem to believe they’re never the ones in the wrong.
Nyway, I should lay down for bed, but before I go I must say
inb4
“If they have a problem with things being shoved down their throats they shouldn’t deepthroat so fucking hard.”
This was the last place I expected to see a rant about DbD! There are some trulyawful people in the community, from playing just to waste other people’s time to getting into “us vs them” arguments and hurling insults. I’m glad there’s a few people who go above and beyond to set good examples.
On topic, I don’t get how even if Behaviour retconned characters to be different sexualities impacts our ability to enjoy the game at all. It’s not like the pride charms are going to hurt you, lol!
Right? Behavior created David King, he’s their character, if they wanna say he’s actually a time traveling alien from the future with a singing prehinsle dick, that’s their creative decision. Don’t like it? Don’t fucking play the game. Wanna play the game anyway because it’s fun? Then play it for the game and keep your mouth shut about the story.
The only reason I’m against changing pre-existing characters is because when I see a Superman movie, there’s an expectation of who Superman is going into it. If the movie fails to meet this expectation, than the movie sucks. (You bet your ass I hate Man of Steel)
With DBD, the way I see it, they only have the responsibility to meet my expectations for the licensed characters. For their own people they can do whatever the fuck I want.
What I hate about “BHVR IS DEI!!111” complaints is that they aren’t consistent. I’ve heard people claim “X Characters is bad because she isn’t sexy enough” and then later “Y Character is bad because she’s too sexy, and therefore the self-insert of a developer.” Like, which is it? Is it bad because you have an erection or is it because because you can’t masturbate to a game that is more focused on making you afraid than aroused?
“You need to learn to compromise, we’re not asking much. It’s not going to tear your arm off to put biologically accurate data onto government documents.”
Like… Why though? For what reason does the government need this and why would a normal person even care? I could see that it needs to be documented in medical history but even then they should refer to you properly.
Right? I bring this up a lot, like it just seems to me like Gender Markers on IDs and on Bathroom Plaques that just seem like relics from a time period where the law treated men and women far more differently than it does now.
Like, if bathroom stalls exist, why do bathrooms need to be segregated by gender?
Kind of ironic that those who preach for a small government are the same who just have to collect as much documentation as possible. Ironic until you realise how helpful that might be if you want to persecute some minorities eventually.
They wouldn’t be so open to having their information documented. It’s not a big deal unless it’s happening to them.
We really need a deadly plague that’s easy to vaccinate against.
That would be cruel, as it would cost countless innocent lives of those who cannot be vaccinated because of preexisting conditions, allergies or whatever.
I’d be interested in the cost analysis of lives saved from MAGA’s hate crimes vs lives lost to inability to vaccinate.
Fortunately it’s just daydreaming as no one has control of this runaway cart.
That, but the biggest losers here will be the children of anti-vax parents. They don’t deserve to die because their parents are idiots. Same goes with “faith” healing.
Their parents are the ones you’ll have the hardest time convincing of that truth.
This artstyle looks like “what if Control Alt Delete was drawn by someone who had fashion sense and also talent”.
I like it.
Same, It’s sad that art actually peaked in the 2000’s, everything has to be “On Model” and “Simplified” now.
Talent?
You seriously think this is a talented artist?
Well, compared to Tim Buckley, yes.
Slightly less half assed, I’ll grant you that.
Still, one of the most popular webcomics is XKCD, and he relies entirely on the humour in the strip.
I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
“Why can’t everyone else just hate the same things I hate!?”
Imagine being this worked up about a webcomic, shitty or otherwise.
Also “this worked up”, lol.
Just curious, exactly how worked up do you think a person must be to undertake the Herculean effort of making a drive-by Lemmy comment?
Yes clearly this is consuming the whole of my being.
I mean, you replied twice to my comment, to let me know you weren’t worked up, so…
Also stating
passivity in the face of decline has always been the preferable option. Protecting our sacred decorum is so much more important than maintaining a critical eye and standards
makes me think you’re taking it pretty damn seriously lol
Yeah boredom on a slow day at work can’t exist.
And my level of investment automatically invalidates any point I make right? Because that’s how discussions work, discredit and invalidate the arguer rather than the argument.
Cool interaction.
These people want Lemmy to be Reddit and don’t understand why that’s a problem. You are quite literally pissing in the chud winds. I upvoted you, but I do think you’re wasting your time outside of your initial comment.
And my level of investment automatically invalidates any point I make right?
You’re acting like their response was ever intended to be a thorough breakdown of your argument and why it’s wrong lol.
All they said was an exaggerated paraphrase of your comment for comedic effect and then wondered how you could get so worked up over this.
Yeah boredom on a slow day at work can’t exist.
I totally understand this. Putting way more effort into a comment than I need to because of a slow day at work is exactly what I’m doing rn lol.
But that’s not what’s indicative of you getting worked up. It’s the defensiveness and comments that read as bitterly aggressive.
I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
I’ll raise you one better and do a revision of your original comment.
I’ll take my downvotes… wait no, I probably shouldn’t start a comment off like this because it only shows I’m bitter that people don’t agree with me, let me start again.
While I disagree with the sentiment of @Vespair@lemm.ee’s original comment, I do think that there’s one thing we should be not be bringing over from Reddit. Gatekeeping.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let holier-than-thou gatekeeping stay on Reddit. Most if not all of us moved to this platform for its freedom from ads, algorithm manipulations and for more meaningful curation of our online interactions.
We should want this for all people, and that includes the people who post stuff we don’t like. Those people aren’t ruining Lemmy, they’re keeping it diverse, and exercising their right to use a platform that isn’t controlled by a company who is selling their data and manipulating their world view in the interest of those who care about nothing more than consolidating more wealth and power, at the expense of their users. In some cases at the expense of geopolitical stability and people’s actual lives.
Your sentiment isn’t different just because you couch it in decorum. I’ve played that game long enough, I’m over it. You are very good at it though, kudos.
So maybe consider channeling that boredom into something productive instead of tearing down something you don’t like, that has zero tangible impact on your life.
Anyway, you’re right this is not a great interaction, so take 'er easy.
Yeah, passivity in the face of decline has always been the preferable option. Protecting our sacred decorum is so much more important than maintaining a critical eye and standards. Great take.
sorry you don’t like her. i enjoy her work. it’s not intrinsically tied to reddit.
I agree with you. These comics are pretty low effort excuses to shill a NSFW patreon. In other words, ads.
It’s best to leave these to reddit.
I appreciate that but I do want to be clear, I do not care if pizzacake has an onlyfans or uses her comics to advertise said onlyfans. I am sex positive, and aggressively pro-sex worker, so I will never disparage pizzacake or anyone else for their sexuality or participation in sex work of any kind.
This is not my objection to pizzacake and I strongly agree with those who rightly call out the criticism of her which boils down to judgement of her for her onlyfans. My issues is with the comic content she makes, how she conducts herself online, and mostly with her army of sycophants.
I personally wish pizzacake nothing but success in her onlyfans endeavors and she deserves to be as free from misogynistic comments wrongfully judging her for her sex work as anyone else.
Oh yeah I didn’t mean to imply selling NSFW content is bad or a moral failing of some sort, because its not. Same way pushing boner pills on prime time cable isn’t some sort of moral failing, I just don’t care for it and have no desire to have that content pushed to me, so I avoid it.
My quibble with pizzacake is the low effort level of pushing these ads. If she was selling artisinal mittens and using low effort comics to push that I’d feel the same. It’s just extra weird because the rabid fanbase will jump down your throat to the point that you have to post paragraphs denouncing misogynist intent just to point out that these comics are low effort ads.
EDIT: the r/comics drama and her general handling of criticisms also have influenced my opinion of pizzacake. But honestly, these comics lack any sort of punchline most of the time, and the “biting political takes” like this one are so BLAND and safe.
I understood your objection was with them as advertisements and wasn’t trying to imply otherwise, I just wanted to clarify my own position due to the commonality of criticism of pizzacake for her sex work which, again, I adamantly object to.
Agreed. There’s nothing wrong with this message, but Pizzacake as a creator sucks.
Low effort garbage made by someone who buys upvotes in an attempt to shill her NSFW patreon.
I think you’re asking for the moon here, pal.
You’re not wrong. The fact that I’m fighting a knowing losing battle doesn’t make it less meaningful in my eyes, however.
It might help if you included, like, any real information at all since this is so important and meaningful to you. Or just keep raging into the night like a lunatic lol.
I can respect that. Go forth with my blessing, brave knight.
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I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
“REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
We kimosabe? I left Reddit because because its rapidly becoming a rightwing hellhole and it’s inevitable enshitification due to being centralized and privately owned. Go create your own circlejerk club lemmy instance that hates pizzacake. Or just filter it.
Or IDK, downvote and move on. Lambasting a comic book artist in the comments because you see them as undeserving of their success is aggressively elitist hipster douchebaggery.
You should be like me and make everyone hate you for reasons that matter (Telling them their politics and philosophy is shit and stupid) and not arbitrary culture in-group-out-group elitism.
Reddit is far from a right wing hell hole. I haven’t logged on in over a year but jumping to the front page is 4/5 push back against the right with the other 1/5 just “am I over reacting” posts with a sprinkle of cats and everyday humor.
Maybe you’re referring to ownership?
I guess last time I got on there I kept seeing conservative leaning posts or posts from at least subtly conservative coded subs, but maybe that’s just the algorithm baiting me?
…at first i thought this was because some left Parties don’t care about all these stabbings.
But that’s more an issue in Western Europe then while MAGAs show their potential of destructivity in US.
More often than not, MAGA tend to stab themselves in the back. They just don’t have the self-awareness for it.
The upside to Fascism is that it’s never back in town for long. You don’t have to worry about it becoming the new status quo.
The bad news is, you do absolutely have to fight tooth and nail because although it will take itself out in the end, it will take innocent people with it. The reason we fight is to do three things
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Minimize the damage
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Make it harder for Fascism to come back
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Create a new status quo to replace the one that was so bad that people wanted to do fascism in the first place.
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Sometimes they become selfawarewolves. Is there an instance like leopardsatemyface on lemmy?
Edit: yup !leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world
was thinking of saying the knife should be in the back but the artist is right. this is pretty in the front.
99% of partisan voters do this, unfortunately.
At least, that’s the case if you look back at the last eight years. It’s a testament to the grip that the rich have on the poor here that anyone still votes Democrat or Republican.
BUT, I agree 100%. If your politics are deliberately harmful to marginalized groups, it’s pretty fucked up to make the argument that “it’s just politics”.
It’s so easy to ignore how one of Biden’s final acts as president was to deny Transgender Americans healthcare through TRICARE.
Anti-LGBT bills have been flooding state and federal legislatures, and only a handful of Democrats have been brave enough to oppose them.
Had kind of a similar conversation with my dad recently. “I’m sorry you feel that way.” “Well they’re cutting Medicaid, so we’ll see how that goes for you.”
Please remind us in four years what happens
If the Medicaid and social security things go through, it’ll be much sooner than that. My brothers and I paid for a new hvac system for their house last year, which gives an idea of the financial issue they are likely to face.
Tolerance paradoxically demands intolerance of the intolerant.
It was pointed out to me a while back that the paradox of tolerance is only a paradox if you consider tolerance to be a philosophical position.
In fact, we don’t treat it like that. We treat it as a social contract, in which context it is no paradox at all to say that if you aren’t tolerant then other people aren’t obliged to tolerate you in turn
The term paradox was used because it comes from the “so much for the tolerant X” instances during mid XXth century. It’s the incorrect assumption that tolerance is somehow a foundational principle of some ideology, mainly left, socialist and communist ideology; just because they were protesting intolerant policy and stances from the right. The right stupidly believes that this means that the left advocates for unlimited tolerance of everything as an extension of fundamental freedoms, like free speech and free thought.
This was at a time when the debate on the lawful limits of freedom in democracies was raging. In comes Karl Popper and produces the formal philosophical formulation of the paradox. He starts at freedom and demonstrates that in order for a free open and peaceful society to exist, then they must be tolerant, but, they must not held tolerance as a tenet, instead being intolerant of any intolerance. It is important as the first philosophical formulation of liberal democratic thinking. It actually distances itself from communism because, according to Popper, communism and even socialism will always end up in bloodshed, violence, and suffering.
The concept of social contract was not unknown to Popper, but it was not necessary for his argument to make sense. For, since Weber, it’s understood as a given that wherever humans happen to live in community, some form of social contract will exist. Popper is not concerned with the existence of the contract, but to argue about its content.
It’s not really a paradox when you think about it. In fact, it’s absolutely necessary.
Yeah i originally was going to write “seemingly paradoxically” but it made it seem more like I was saying “seems to demand…” And I wanted to make sure it came across as a definite, if you know what i mean.
Specifically the lactose intolerant.
I have a theory about lactose intolerance. You now how humans in general just struggle with digesting lactose unless the body has built up enzymes over time. I think lactose intolerant people are just dairy addicts haha.
I’ll just leave this here… (see alt/hover text for TLDR)
Curious. How does that work when someone is beating you with a baseball bat or robbing you?
You don’t tolerate it…? Is this supposed to be a trick question? Sometimes when you don’t tolerate something, you are largely powerless against it and it still happens. Sucks, but that’s life. You don’t have to roll over and present your balls to the bat though.
I tried to support this artist on Patreon. Heard there were NSFW comics there. Well, yes, but mostly a creepy OnlyFans-esque collection of nearly nude sexy photos of the artist, with frequent calls for payment for explicit nudes.
(Edit from below, as I figure out what I’m trying to say) It’s a sort of emotional bait and switch. “Come support me, there’s nsfw comics.” “Ooh I love those, my wife loves those, I’m in.” “Whoops, actually there’s also these risqué photos. Maybe your wife will be ok with it, maybe not. You can choose to have the conversation if you want. But now I’ve handed you a problem, unless you want to just immediately unsubscribe. In which case I still keep the money but you get nothing. Thanks for your support!” (End of edit)
Only artist Patreon I’ve ever unsubscribed from for content reasons. (I’m married, intended to support an artist, not to gawk at an OnlyFans.) From what I can tell from kemono (Patreon content mirror - visit with Adblock on), she’s still doing it.
I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported. Comics like this one are really good. I’m torn.
It is perfectly fine that you don’t like the behaviour, but that doesn’t mean the behaviour isn’t valid.
I also think it is strange, but not something detrimental. You subscribe to her account, you get comics and nudes. I don’t see a problem with that, but I can understand if it’s problematic for you due to different surrounding circumstances.
It’s a valid point and complaint that they went to the Patreon page of a comic artist looking for comics, and got something entirely different to what they were looking for.
There’s a lot more porn on the Internet than good comic strips.
You have to pay at a certain tier to get the nudity. If you don’t, then you don’t get anything explicit.
She is within her rights, and so are you.
Ironically, this is valid version of the above comic’s invalid application of agreeing to disagree. Neither of you are hurting the other by having differing opinions.
If you haven’t already, you should send a message to the artist voicing your moral support but explaining why you can’t financially support her.
I think you’re being too sensitive tbh. The artist probably really needs the money if they’re doing onlyfans. Just let your partner see the what and why, and there shouldn’t be an issue.
I think I would be the same way tbh. Like I don’t care that they do it, but I defo wouldn’t expect it in the same place as art content. Although it’s allowed, I think I would do the same as what you did.
Most of the comics artist do NSFW on Patreon. It’s nothing too crazy. I guess. Like top of artist on r/comics make NSFW comics on Patreon.
I think you misunderstood, this was pictures of the artist naked, not erotic art.
Which is definitely not something most artists do.
I don’t know anything about this particular artist, but nude photography is super normal in the art world at large? I’m confused as to what makes nude photography ‘not art’ to you.
It seems like you might be purposely missing the point, which wouldn’t be a very cool thing for you to do, but I’ll treat it as though you are genuinely confused.
Nobody here is arguing that nude photography isn’t art. Nobody is arguing that the artist shouldn’t be able to make money selling that content as art. The point is that outside of patreon, there’s no sign of nude photography. Only once I support the artist on patreon do I see their nude photography. It should be clear what I will receive from the creator when I support them on patreon, and here it isn’t clear, I was given something I didn’t ask for. I understand I can just skip over it, but there are a bunch of reasons why I wouldn’t want NSFW stuff mixed in with my normal content feed, such as browsing at work or on the train. Plus, with a partner, if they see that and think that I am paying for someone’s only fans (or equivalent) it’s a difficult discussion to have. Sure, it will hopefully all end up being fine in the end with an understanding partner, but still, it’s not something I would have signed up for had I known.
I’m sorry, I think you meant to respond to another person. I was talking about Ilovethebomb statement of “this was pictures of the artist naked, not erotic art”, and wanting clarification on where that line is drawn in their mind.
Nobody here is arguing that the artist shouldn’t be able to make money selling that content as art.
I was 13 when mom graduated with a degree in fine art, so maybe I’ve just seen it more, but there are tons of people who think nude = porn and porn =/= art. I’m not saying you think like this, because I’ve never talked to you before, but the sentiment is super common in western culture at large.
Oh didn’t know that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t want to see most internet artists naked. If she’s pretty and talented, then more power to her.
Out of curiosity, what did they look like?
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Didn’t see her Patreon or OF but She really look like IRL version of Comic Character.
Not every photo was like this, but the ones that forced my hand were clearly suggestive of a strip-tease. And that specifically is what I didn’t want in my Patreon feed, in between her NSFW comics (which I enjoyed!) and other pervy content creators and, you know, retro gaming and science YouTubers.
My wife looks at pervy stuff too, and we share links / peep at each other’s monitors, etc. And honestly she might be totally fine with it, especially if I explained it. I just felt like it wasn’t worth having an uncomfortable conversation with my wife over. It felt like an inconsiderate emotional bait and switch. “Hey Reddit, come to my Patreon for pervy comics.” … “Now that you’ve already paid, and unsubscribing would mean I keep the money and you get nothing … surprise, there’s also nearly-nude or hand-bra-type pics, that you can’t remove, with frequent reminders that the $50 tier gets full nudes. Now I’ve handed you a problem. Now you have to deal with this. Thanks for your support!”
I don’t think kemono has everything archived but you can see enough there to get a picture of what she’s been doing. And I want to take a moment to subvert that scummy call-and-response site spam pattern that gets used. I’ve only ever visited this site with ublock Origin on Firefox, so it could have the worst sort of pop up cancer and I wouldn’t know any better. If you visit, keep your shields up. But kemono seems to be a site that mirrors Patreon and other similar sites, via users contributing their logged in session keys and letting the site mirror whatever they have access to. I didn’t know about kemono dot Sierra Uniform until recently and I have no idea if references to it are kosher. But there you go.
I would not say you’re being overly sensitive. I think it’s frustrating that they don’t just have a separate patreon or OF for that kind of content.
Philosophy Tube recently did a great video on exactly this. It’s on Nebula for those who subscribe.
Gave a down arrow for the artist not the message
