It’s a good idea to keep a valid passport around no matter if you live in North America or Europe. Doesn’t hurt to be prepared.
Go get one, it’s only a question of time when you can’t anymore.
no it isn’t, but they should get one anyway.
Yes it is for a lot of people. Do you think the system will happily keep working for those it persecutes? This is a mistake a lot of Jews, Democrats, LGBT and others make every time the can’t imagine their country goes fascist, and it always backfires. Right now of those who’re technically eligible for a passport, citizens with migrant origin (or those who “look like it”) as well as trans people are already in danger of not being able to flee anymore. The first are persecuted by ICE, the second are being erased and now they (with Musk at the helm) start framing them as terrorists.
You’re living under a fascist government, act accordingly and do it swiftly.
“Yes it is for a lot of people”
Yes, changing your question will yield a different answer.
“Do you think the system will happily keep working for those it persecutes?”
it never has, why do you think a system will help the people it is persecuting? persecution is inherently harmful.
"…can’t imagine their country goes fascist, and it always backfires. "
well, guess what, you don’t have to guess anymore. your country is actively going fascist (you sound American).
“You’re living under a fascist government, act accordingly and do it swiftly.”
I am definitively not, and I’ve been helping others get out from under the boot heel for a decade and a half.
You’re talking out your elbow.
as you’re an American, I suppose you pay taxes and support that government that you claim upsets you so?
I don’t.
sounds like you’re the problem.
Your mode of conversation is quite odd.
I really got into specificity and accuracy lately, which does seem to confuse people.
I think you’ve gotten into being brief or “concise” but it isn’t working, because instead you’re just not explaining your thoughts clearly for others to understand you.
Also in this whole post, you seemed to not understand that OP’s statement about needing a passport is because he is American and needs to be ready to escape as needed. So in this thread, someone said to get it now before it’s too late, but your reply seemed to suggest that OP would always have access. So everyone was trying to explain to you that if he is an American currently targeted for persecution, he might lose that opportunity. Which you seem to agree with. I think everyone was just confused to your point.
“I think you’ve gotten into being brief or “concise” but it isn’t working”
works great for me and other people; brief and concise answers don’t work for you or other people who base their reasoning on assumptions.
you can remedy that by asking for clarification on the things you don’t understand.
“you seemed to not understand that OP’s statement about needing a passport is because he is American and needs to be ready to escape as needed.”
I understood just fine, hence my specifically directed answer.
If you had asked for clarification rather than formulated a conclusion from a false assumption, you wouldn’t be so wrong here.
your key incorrect phrase is a guess: “seemed to not understand…”. this was wrong.
“someone said to get it now before it’s too late, but your reply seemed to suggest that OP would always have access”
again, you are incorrect because you’re drawing a conclusion based on a false assumption(…seemed to suggest…").
My replies didn’t seem to suggest anything, i said very clearly that commenters who were telling him how difficult it was to get a passport were full of shit, because right now it Is very easy to get a passport.
in your head, you apparently pretended that the present tense implied “forever”, which is not what I said or what the present tense implies.
“everyone was trying to explain to you…”
no, some people were as confused as you are and decided to draw incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions rather than ask questions. other people were not as confused or asked clarifying questions.
those people received clarifying answers for the things they didn’t understand.
“you seem to agree with…”
it is a known fact, I don’t know why everyone in the thread expects anyone to disagree with marginalized populations being persecuted.
“I think everyone was just confused to your point.”
many people were confused, yes. but everyone who asked clarifying questions rather than drawing incorrect conclusions based on false assumptions got clarification.
I don’t really care if people get confused by unfamiliar facts, that is the state of people and the world they briefly occupy.
That confusion is fairly easy to solve; easily remedied, willfully refused.
Bwahahaha. Apparently your “accuracy” doesn’t include the wisdom to avoid rhetorical nonsense, for example how not to construct a straw man. I saw similar behaviour with other people before. You’re either a troll or lying to yourself. Either way and with all due respect, you’re full of shit. I take the “you sound American” as a compliment for my English skills though, given it’s not my first language. I’m not American, fortunately.
yes, bwahaha.
boy, I wish whatever orientation class you guys attended that taught you the wrong definition of “straw man” means actually taught you what the phrase “straw man” means instead.
“you’re full of shit.”
nope, That’s another assumption born of frightened ignorance.
“I take the…”
of course you did, your entire answer is based on false assumptions.
Am I having a stroke? It looks like you’re debating someone but there isn’t even a difference of opinion
“Am I having a stroke?”
I can’t definitively tell from here, but your typing suggests not.
“It looks like you’re debating someone but there isn’t even a difference of opinion”
there’s a difference of fact, context and “yes” isn’t very close to “no”, but many people in this thread appear as confused as you are, so don’t take your lost footing to heart.
it isn’t good for your stroke anxiety.
“Yes it is for a lot of people”
Yes, changing your question will yield a different answer.
Lol, if you think this was changing the question, no wonder people get “upset” at you for your obsession with “accuracy”.
lol, I don’t mind people getting upset over accuracy.
There are already trans people in that situation.
correct.
Depending on Ops race and gender, maybe
no maybe about it.
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mmhmmm, what about DEI are you curious about?
Better hurry and get it before they make it practically or literally impossible for everyone except the most privileged…
or they force you to serve in the military first to earn a passport. kind of like earning your citizenship in starship troopers.
too old to serve?..didnt ask…
Trump’s Golden Passport, only five millions, for a limited time only! Lets you go visa free to beautiful Puerto Rico, Guam, and soon to Canada and Greenland. Other destinations pending.
Order yours now!Conditions may apply.
Don’t forget the Gaza Rivera.
and depending on where you fall on the color chart, potentially sunny Guantanamo Bay.
I don’t think you’ll need a passport to go there though 😬 if anything they’ll burn the one you have…
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I just picked up my first passport in my entire life. I’m trying to get away from this hell hole.
it rocks out here, have fun.
Where have you been traveling to? I was thinking euro rail pass and travel Europe.
that’s a great idea, I traveled across Western and Central europe, pretty much all of asia, Australia, India, morocco, I’m in Guatemala right now.
after South America probably I should start on Africa, but the largest inhabited continent is such a massive undertaking that I haven’t got to it yet.
I don’t think Morocco counts, I need that sub-Saharan Safari vibe going on.
Super jelly. That all sounds life changing.
it fucking rocks. shoot me over a message if you ever have any questions, I love talking about this stuff and have helped more than a few people start traveling full time.
Will do!
By the time you realize you need to have a passport, you should have already gotten one. I got my first passport in 2000. It took like a week. I lost it and had to get a new one in 2007. I got grilled by Homeland Security in a windowless office about whether or not I was familiar with the terrorist cells in the country I was vacationing in because it was a country with a significant Muslim population. I can’t imagine what it’s like now.
Sign up for some exchange program in a neutral country, buy a round-trip ticket, and just never come back.
I renewed a year or two ago and it was no big deal (US passport but longtime Japan resident) and took like 3 weeks. I think part of it was by mail, even, though I can’t recall for sure (I think I submitted in person and received by mail? Now that I live hours away from Tokyo, I certainly hope that’s an option in 8ish years).
it might be harder for people more than 15years expired, very inconvienient.
Do people live without a passport? Cause I dunno, maybe it is how my family ran things in my childhood but everyone of us had a passport as a must. (I’m from a lesser known EU country)
Just look at the size of the US, and the diversity of their climate
You don’t need a passport if you live in geographical heaven, with such a rich and diverse culture
( I’m probably gonna get downvoted for saying something positive about the USA :( )
It’s fairly common in the USA to not have a passport
it is still very easy to get a passport. I helped a friend get theirs last month, and more over the years.
don’t listen to any of the ignorant comments saying it’s difficult to get one; they don’t know what they’re talking about.
you can do it online or in person at a US Post office.
fill out the application form, takes maybe 20 minutes tops, pay the fee (165$), they take your picture, you will get your passport in the mail in a couple of weeks, it lasts for 10 years, renewable on the go from embassies and consulates.
If you have any questions about passports or traveling, fire away.
A passport costs 165 dollaroos? Damn. And I thought the 70 Euro we have to pay was excessive.
As a swede in france, you can add the travel cost to Paris, only the embassy there has the biometric machine to do passports…
Also the idiots in sweden thought 5 (yes five) years validity is a good thing.
yea, but $16 a year for an instant 50-90% reduced cost of living with guaranteed high-pay employment and no income tax while retaining access to consular services is a pretty good deal.
not as good as 7 bucks a year, but I’m not exactly going to quibble over the extra ten in the face of all the benefits.
to get on a boat, that I may or may not need to own, and sail away from here.
I have one but it’s been very difficult for me to just sell a bunch of things and get up and go somewhere without any security when I get there.
I speak English und ich lerne ein bisschen Deutsch aber ich spreche nicht gut. I don’t think there exists a place where I knew I could prosper and not worry about being forced to leave within a year or two.
there are a lot of jobs teaching English and German in asia, you can get a work visa, teach 25 hours a week, you’ll save a couple thousand a month and can buy anything you want.
Aren’t you afraid other countries will treat you the way Americans are treating others? Why not stay and fix your goddamn country.
The USians leaving are the ones who didn’t vote for fascism and at least speaking for myself, are learning the language and culture of the place they are going to. I appreciate you not wanting a USian immigrant crisis, but I hope you can welcome those of us who make it over AND who treat the locals with respect. 🥺
Me when Jews fled Germany. Me when people flee South America. Me when people flee war torn countries. If people (who didn’t vote for this) can leave, I hope they do. It hasn’t been our country in a long time. Individuals deserve the liberties guaranteed to them by the constitution and if they can no longer find that here and are able to find it elsewhere, they should. There is not enough will here to change things. Throwing yourself at the wall of fascism is a great way to die needlessly. No one should be obligated to die because of the failings of the government they happen to live under. If we had the numbers and could do something, maybe I’d understand your perspective, but we don’t have the numbers, and we live in a surveillance state the likes of which history does not have an analogue for. Our government has cameras everywhere and is able to track our every conversation. People here believe this is the will of god. There’s no quick fix for that and I don’t think people that will be actively hunted down in the meantime have any obligation to stay.
People in other countries are far less scary than oppressive fascist governments
other countries treat travelers very nicely. even Vietnam, which is the only country I was kind of nervous about visiting.
staying and fixing the country isn’t really worth it right now, that’s like suggesting someone stay in an abuseive household and “fix” their abusive father.
get out of the house first, go from there.
Most US democrats are actually cowards: unwilling to do anything outside of internet complaints, convincing mentally ill people to commit violence for them online, pathetic finger waggling or holding up signs/paddles so they can high-five each other at the end of a productive day doing nothing.
Passports only matter if you want to come back
Or if you want to enter another place.
If you just want to stay on your boat in the middle of the Atlantic, you don’t really need one.
That’s not true. Most countries require one to enter their country from another.
haha, no, they’re pretty important across the board for travel.
americans on their way to destroy another country (they already managed to destroy the one they were living in)
The ones leaving aren’t the ones that destroyed it
truuue thay
sure thing. “we did all we could!!! we placed an X on a ballot and that didn’t work so it’s time to run away”
Have you considered that at least some of us have attended protests too? What are your suggestions? Revolution sounds good to me too, but I’m afraid that’s a hard one to get started and, with our surveillance state, a pretty sure way to end up in prison.
Not to mention we’d be fighting against the might of the US military.
Last time I checked they’ve got the capability to turn someone to paint faster than you can say, “Do you hear something?”
It’s call Brain Drain. I left during the first Trump presidency.
Where’d you go? Does it pay well? Is child care good? Where do you recommend going?
I moved to Taiwan. Pay is less than America, but cost of living is also way less so it’s relative. We get universal health care which offsets the lower income.
For reference, my water bill is around 30usd a month and my electric is 100usd. My 5G unlimited data cellphone is 20usd a month.
Childcare is way cheaper than America, and more abundant.
Yeah, how dare these people not stick around so they can be the first ones in the camps?!
sure, let’s have all the poor minorities that can’t afford to run be the ones in camps while we privileged white folks just get a nice place at some european country
This is pure brainrot
Americans who travel, as with all travelers, tend to become open-mindedx curious and engaging people; traveling makes people better.
