The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It’s absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn’t be allowed to continue.

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    I’m all for defederating Hexbear, but lemmy.ml is absolutely huge compared to Hexbear. To motivate the community to do that you’d need quite a bit of proof. Or at least something rather compelling. Do you have any proof of what you’re referring to?

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      Asking for proof of what is an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.

      I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the “normies” out.

      They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west…

      • Uyghur camps > not happening
      • Tiannamen square > Just some peaceful protests
      • invasion of Ukraine > NATO forced Russia to do it
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        I was banned from lemmy.ml for posting a meme about the fact that gay characters are removed from movies in China. Not even by a mod. By an admin. I’m not remotely surprised they’re pro-shitheap in general

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          There is an admin on lemmy.ml that seems to be banning anyone who says anything negative about China. If I’m thinking of the right person, they are also a large contributor to the Lemmy codebase. That person is why I stopped donating to the Lemmy devs.

          • 𝒍𝒆𝒎𝒂𝒏𝒏@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            This kind of stuff is making me consider stopping my donations to the Lemmy project, and instead donating to the Sublinks drop-in replacement developed by the programming.dev instance admins

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              Hey, I’m the founder of Sublinks. It’s a huge collaboration of several major Lemmy instances like lemmy world, beehaw, discuss.online, programming.dev, and quite a few others that wish not to be named until the release.

              Some admins are directly working on the project while others are providing other types of support. @Ategon@programming.dev is certainly a major contributor and has helped develop the new front end in many major ways. You can follow some progress updates here: !sublinks@discuss.online

              We have several different teams of developers:

              1. API / Java
              2. Front-end / JS/CSS/HTML
              3. Federation / GoLang
              4. Libraries / JS
              5. Requirements gathering and organization
              6. Design & Graphics - UI/UX
              7. Lemmy to Sublinks migration tools

              There is an active community on Matrix where all of us chat: https://matrix.to/#/#sublinks:discuss.online if anyone is interested in joining. We also have weekly touch bases to discuss progress and next steps. There are tons of people contributing.

              We are currently taking donations only through Github: https://github.com/sponsors/sublinks if you’re truly interested. We’re all working on this part-time in our free time and making fantastic progress.

              Let me know if you have any questions!

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        I would like to see proof of how a community doing its own thing of sharing their radical views on their instance is damaging.

        I haven’t seen any rampant behavior of lemmy.ml users going to other instances and dogpiling certain posts or comment section. That may be defederation worthy.

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        Check my history, I called them out for the NATO one today and they threw all sorts of random shit at me that was off the central point, just looking for a mistake in my wording.

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        IF lemmy.ml is admin’d by the Lemmy devs, themselves,

        AND their ideology/prejudice is being obstructed by the Lemmy-verse,

        THEN wouldn’t it be rational for them to engineer-in to Lemmy, itself, protections for their ideology?

        Breaking the Fediverse’s ability to “manage” them?

        or breaking the Fediverse’s ability to have any alternative-ideology be its core??


        I’m thinking they could either adulterate privacy, deliberately, or they could force blocking to be porous, or something…


        IOW, I’m thinking that it is strategically-incompetent to allow tankies to own our core tech, exactly as it is strategically-incompetent to allow right-wing highjackers-of-our-countries to do so.

        ?

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          They could, but it’s open source software. People can just fork it and not follow along such self destructive paths.

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        This is less about the instance as a whole. The !worldnews@lemmy.ml mods are notoriously terrible. It’s best to just avoid the community altogether.

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        While I agree that hexbear generally sucks, they and I do at least have an enemy in common. That ban is not so undeserved as I was led to expect.

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          Is your common enemy the People? Because Hexbear promotes authoritarianism and genocide denial.

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            Tankies say all kinds of stupid things, but even if we grant the thus-far unproven assumption that the person being addressed there is among them, when they’re telling nazis to fuck off that is not an appropriate moment to try and start a pointless fight by asserting that they’re wrong about every single thing.

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                Just as long as you’re not Ukrainian, Tibetan, or Uyghur or else they’ll defend ending your life as a human being.

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                  Don’t forget they openly root for Hamas, which will do way worse than just kill people for being queer.

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                  So what? It’s no different from lemmy.world where the vast majority of users pay Palestinians lip service but get buttmad at the suggestion of holding the US government accountable for funding Israel, only because the man in office is their guy. You all are more than happy to sacrifice a few tens of thousands of Palestinians if it means you don’t have to criticize dear leader.

                  Most of you are gigantic hypocrites on the topic of genocide.

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                  Idk there’s the dunk tank but apart from that CPT…

                  EDIT: yeah I was wrong I see what y’all mean…