• N-E-N@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    I’m too young to know what Bluetooth was like 20yrs ago, can anyone elucidate?

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      It wasn’t so much that it was put in stuff that wasn’t useful it was more that it was put in stuff that needed something better than Bluetooth but they put in Bluetooth because it was new and shiny rather than old boring radio.

      The problem with Bluetooth, especially back then, was that the range was terrible (about 1 ft in my experience), you couldn’t connect to more than one thing at a time, it consumed quite a lot more power than radio (we have ultra low power modes now), and the bandwidth wasn’t great either (still somewhat the case but the bandwidth has improved). So you had things like Bluetooth car keys which were like keyless entry systems we have today, but rather than using radio they used Bluetooth so half the time you’d go near your car and nothing would happen.

      A lot of the cases where things used to have Bluetooth now use Wi-Fi today. Of course there were always things that had Bluetooth for a gimmick, but the vast majority of it was simply things that had Bluetooth when something else would have been the better option. Back then Bluetooth headphones were seen as a gimmick because they basically didn’t work, now they work, so they’re not a gimmick anymore. The perception of if something is or is not a gimmick is more about if it works rather than if it actually is a useful product.

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        5 months ago

        Pretty accurate except Bluetooth is also radio of course, so it sounds weird contrasting them like that.

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          Radio in this case meaning an analog signal. Just fire the appropriate good vibes energy at the car rather than trying to send some packets over a wireless network. It didn’t work mostly due to the lack of any kind of redundancy. If a packet got dropped then it just dropped, it was gone.

          When we started adding some decent protocols to Bluetooth it became more reliable, but it’s still not great range because of the frequencies used. Of course these days you would use Wi-Fi not analog radio, to get all of the advantages of Bluetooth but a much greater range and reliability.

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    6 months ago

    Or even like modern wifi. I saw a vacuum with wifi capabilities. Do I really need to check my vacuum battery level from my phone?

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      Yes? Maybe the battery was left uncharged, or used up, so you’re waiting to do more cleaning. Why shouldn’t you be able to check?

      I have an automation in my Home Assistant setup to notify me when batteries need to be replaced or charged. Currently it’s only for the smart devices in that deployment, but yes. I want my home automation to keep track of all batteries, so I can see status at a glance and be reminded if one needs attention

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      6 months ago

      I saw a Bluetooth toothbrush that send reports to your phone on how good you brushed your teeth, like wtf?!

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        5 months ago

        LLM are grossly subsidized by piles of investment capital hoping to corner the market. It may ultimately be that the only profitable uses for these services are illicit

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    Makes me feel a little better. In 2024 I Can’t get a “Windows ready” Bluetooth dongle to be recognized by my still supported Windows computer.

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    “VR in the 80s” is my go to analogy. Sooo many promises, such tantalizing potential… and zero follow through

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      I think this is a good way to explain that VR today is no longer just a fad. It’s had its hype cycle and disillusionment, and now it’s on to the plateau of usefulness.

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    5 months ago

    That scene in Better Call Saul with the investment guy permanently on his BT earpiece was such a wave of nostalgia for me, used to see those everywhere in the 2000s with a little blue light on them flashing.

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      5 months ago

      The term has been stolen and redefined . It’s pointless to be pedantic about it at this point.

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      This is such a half brained response. Yes “actual” AI in the form of simulated neurons is pretty far off, but it’s fairly obvious when people say they AI they mean LLMs and other advanced forms of computing. There’s other forms of AI besides LLMs anyways, like image analyzers

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      5 months ago

      In 2022 AI evolved into AGI and LLM into AI. Languages are not static as shown by old English. Get on with the times.

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        They didn’t so much “evolve” as AI scared the shit out of us at such a deep level we changed the definition of AI to remain in denial about the fact that it’s here.

        Since time immemorial, passing a Turing test was the standard. As soon as machines started passing Turing tests, we decided Turing tests weren’t such a good measure of AI.

        But I haven’t yet seen an alternative proposed. Instead of using criteria and tasks to define it, we’re just arbitrarily saying “It’s not AGI so it’s not real AI”.

        In my opinion, it’s more about denial than it is about logic.

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        Changes to language to sell products are not really the language adapting but being influenced and distorted

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            5 months ago

            I think the modern pushback comes from people who get their understanding of technology from science fiction. SF has always (mis)used AI to mean sapient computers.

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          LLMs are a way of developing an AI. There’s lots of conspiracy theories in this world that are real it’s better to focus on them rather than make stuff up.

          There really is an amazing technological development going on and you’re dismissing it on irrelevant semantics

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      You’re using AI to mean AGI and LLMs to mean AI. That’s on you though, everyone else knows what we’re talking about.

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        Nobody has yet met this challenge:

        Anyone who claims LLMs aren’t AGI should present a text processing task an AGI could accomplish that an LLM cannot.

        Or if you disagree with my

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          “Write an essay on the rise of ai and fact check it.”

          “Write a verifiable proof of the four colour problem”

          “If p=np write a python program demonstrating this, else give me a high-level explanation why it is not true.”

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          Oops accidentally submitted. If someone disagrees with this as a fair challenge, let me know why.

          I’ve been presenting this challenge repeatedly and in my experience it leads very quickly to the fact that nobody — especially not the experts — has a precise definition of AGI

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    I work for a fairly big IT company. They’re currently going nuts about how generative AI will change everything for us and have been for the last year or so. I’m yet to see it actually be used by anyone.

    I imagine the new Microsoft Office copilot integration will be used only slightly more than Clippy was back in the day.

    But hey, maybe I’m just an old man shouting at the AI powered cloud.

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      I’m a developer with about 15 years of experience. I got into my company’s copilot beta program.

      Now maybe you are some magical programmer that knows everything and doesn’t need stack overflow, but for me it’s all but completely replaced it. Instead of hunting around for a general answer and then applying it to my code, I can ask very explicitly how to do that one thing in my code, and it will auto generate some code that is usually like 90% correct.

      Same thing when I’m adding a class that follows a typical pattern elsewhere in my code…well it will auto generate the entire class, again with like 90% of it being correct. (What I don’t understand is how often it makes up enum values, when it clearly has some context about the rest of my code) I’m often shocked as to how well it knew what I was about to do.

      I have an exception thats not quite clear to me? Well just paste it into the copilot chat and it gives a very good plain English explanation of what happened and generally a decent idea of where to look.

      And this is a technology in it’s infancy. It’s only been released for a little over a year, and it has definitely improved my productivity. Based on how I’ve found it useful, it will be especially good for junior devs.

      I know it’s in, especially on lemmy, to shit on AI, but I would highly recommend any dev get comfortable with it because it is going to change how things are done and it’s, even in its current form, a pretty useful tool.

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        It’s in to shit on AI because it’s ridiculously overhyped, and people naturally want to push back on that. Pretty much everyone agrees it’ll be useful, just not replace all the jobs useful.

        And a chunk of the jobs it will replace were on their way out the door anyway. There are already plenty of fast food places with kiosks to order, and they haven’t replaced any specific person, just a small function of one job.

        I expect it’ll be useful on the order of magnitude of Google Search, not revolutionary on the scale of the internet. And I think that’s a reasonable amount of credit.

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      I’m yet to see it actually be used by anyone.

      None of your programmers are using genAI to prototype, analyze errors or debug faster? Either they are seriously missing out or you’re not following.
      I think the “AI will revolutionize everything” hype is stupid, but I definitely get a lot of added productivity when coding with it, especially when discovering APIs. I do have to double-check, but overall I’m definitely faster than before. I think it’s good at reducing the mental load of starting a new task too, because you can ask for some ideas and pick what you like from it.

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        Mine aren’t. Because it has been mandated by the execs not to because there is a potential security risk in leaking our code to AI servers.

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          This. I am stunned to read how many devs are allowed to use a third party tool to send proprietary code to.

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            There are company agreements to secure that, we are not using the public websites.

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          My company has an agreement with a genAI provider so the data won’t be leaked, we have an internal website, it’s not the public one. We can also add our own data to the model to get results relevant to the company’s knowledge.

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      I think it massively depends on what your job is. I know quite a lot of people at work use AI to to draft out documents, it’s a good way to get started. I also suspect that quite a lot of documents are 100% AI since we have a lot of stuff that we write but no one ever reads, so what’s the point in putting effort in?

      I tried to use it to write some documentation for various processes at work but the AI doesn’t know about our processes and I couldn’t figure out a way to tell it about our processes and so it either missed steps or just made stuff up so for me it’s not really useful.

      So it works as long as you don’t need anything too custom. But then we have engineers that go out to businesses and presumably they don’t use AI for anything because there’s nothing it can do that would be useful for them.

      So right there in one business you have three groups of people, people who use AI a lot, people who’ve tried to use AI and don’t find it useful, and people who basically have no use for AI.

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      The problem with GenAI is the same as any system. Garbage in equals garbage out. Couple it with no tuning and it’s a disaster waiting to happen. Good GenAI can exist, but you need some serious data science and time to tune it. Right now that puts the cost outside of the “do it by hand” realm (and by quite a bit). LLMs are useful given that they’ve been trained on general human writing patterns, but for a company to be able to replace their functions with highly specific tasks they need to develop and push their own data sets and training which they don’t want to spend the money on.

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      5 months ago

      I’d love a boosted Clippy powered by AI! It would have incredible animations while sitting there in corner doing nothing!

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    This reminds me I’m into season 5 of Burn Notice and Sam said at one point, “I’m on Bluetooth if you need me”. It was a weird reminder that once upon a time people were paid to advertise just… Bluetooth, because that’s a brand name. These days it’s just everywhere.

    The product placements in that show are not exactly subtle. Excellent show though, I did not expect it to hold up so well.

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        Boomers learned what Bluetooth was because they started making AirPod-style single ear headsets for cell phones. Everyone called them “a Bluetooth”.

        So if you said “I’m on Bluetooth” it means you’d have your big clunky EarPod on, ready to answer a call at a moments notice.

        A former fucking spy wouldn’t be caught dead using early Bluetooth for sensitive conversations though (and probably not current BT either). Considering every other segment of that show is a “here’s a hack to show how fragile the house of cards of modern society is, and how spies just navigate through it with impunity”, it’s pretty funny they leaned into this one.