I feel sorry for the Arrowhead devs. They made a spectacular game that was revered across the entire industry and loved by its fans, and their overlords at Sony went and caused so much damage to their reputation overnight. Literally just 24 hours ago people were writing articles about how Helldivers 2 is the right way to make a game and should be an example for the rest of the industry, and then Sony calls in a hellbomb on the reviews.
I feel sorry for the Arrowhead devs.
After seeing a community manager on Discord mistreating on people who voice their concerns with this change, I certainly do not feel sorry for the Arrowhead devs.
my man genuinely doesn’t understand how steam usernames work
also the implication that steam reviews don’t matter? then why are you mad about them?
So how does Steam tell their own users’ usernames apart if they’re mostly duplicates? Something smells like bullshit.
I assume they’re talking about player names, not usernames - steam usernames are unique, but steam player names can be whatever you want and are often duplicates.
Ah, I gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Why can’t they make a unique username when you create a character the first time that is just your “account name”? That would give you the samw powers as a psn username when it comes to banning. Edit:spelling
They literally don’t need to do that. Every platform has some sort of unique user ID, usually numeric.
What’s stopping you from deleting the game, redownloading it, and setting a new account name? Etc
I don’t even own the game. Im just saying, if their argument is unique identifiers, there are more ways than a third party solution. It’s not like they don’t have options. They chose this over any other solution. If they did a unique identifier ingame, no one would complain. So the reason they chose this is something else then being the only solution.
But a unique identifier in game doesn’t actually enforce bans, because what’s stopping someone from creating a new one? VS if you create a PSN account, you need some sort of verification (e.g. email address).
They could’ve done something similar with a non PSN login, though people would’ve probably still complained. And for them, it’s not 3rd party because it’s published by Sony IIRC, so it’s actually an in house system.
I also don’t own the game, but I just wanted to point out the reason in their argument isn’t entirely invalid.
What’s stopping someone from creating a new one. The devs? “Please select a username for your account” when creating your first character. After that you cannot change it, and is linked to all your characters. If you get reported, the report would include the account name = unique “John1836q83” getting banned.
This enforces band the same way as PSN linked email would do, but is all ingame and accessible to 100% of players that own the game.
If it is a simple popup that has 0 implications and is only visible when reporting, no one would care, and definitely not enough to boycott the entire game.
They obviously want to force psn account for other reasons.
I really like the community manager’s reply in the first one, pretty funny
I love dude. He’s made a fan. He didn’t make the decision and he can’t fix it for you. So he’s really just saying to leave him tf alone about it lol. Nut up or shutup.
That third comment aged like a nice, fine glass of milk.
I’ve never understood why players can’t demand a refund when a fundamental aspect of a game changes.
Well, to be fair, they did write - in bold letters - on the Steam page that a Playstation network account is required to play.
They simply didn’t enforce that rule up until now.
Also locks out anyone not living in the 66 countries serviced by the PSN.
Also now requires giving your personal info to yet another third party and their friends. A third party which has a storied past of losing user data.
I thought someone had gone to the waybackmachine and confirmed that it said it was optional initially and changed it when they made this decision?
That was Sony’s site. Super shitty what they did there.
But on the Steam Store page it was always “a PS account is required”.
Not having a system up to spec, I didn’t look at the Eula. That’s bizarre.
The game was sold other places (like the Humble store) without the PSN warning.
Also it’s been sold in countries that the PSN doesn’t support.
EULA
It’s not in the EULA at all. A major problem with this change is that PSN is only available in about 66 countries. Locking out the rest of the world from playing without fear of repercussions due to falsified account info.
Also just the shitty problem of having to give your personal info to yet another third party. One who has a long history of losing personal data of its users.
Parrot. You misread that there are 66 countries locked out, probably in this very thread, and just repeated it. Do your own reading and learning. You are choosing to be angry with no evidence.
Literally not angry with no evidence.
Perhaps I misremembered what I read from other sources. My memory isn’t infallible. The thing I’m angry about has evidence and I made it clear why that upsets me. I also clearly stated that there are only about 66 countries WITH access. Meaning over 130 other nations without access. Including the entirety of the Bulkan states.
Go lick some other corpo’s boot.
I partially agree, but would you expect to be able to return a sandwich if you’re nonlojnger hungry by the time you finish it? Not really the same, but I haven’t played this game in weeks. This annoys me, but not really because I’m playing the game and more because it’s a dick move. If they let me refund I would, but it’d be a little fucked up if I did because I’ve already had my fill of the game.
Idiotic analogy
If you bought an electric car and the company recalled it and changed it to a petrol motor, would you be a Tesla owner and just roll over and lube up your sphincter?
Ha ha yeah I actually typed that 😂
The analogy applies perfectly well to people like me who have stopped playing the game. If they let me refund it’d be pretty stupid. It doesn’t matter what they do, I would choose more money.
You should probably attempt to understand the topic / post before diving in.
If they did not want that to happen, they should not materially change the game.
materially change the game.
OK, sure change access. Materially change? So they shouldn’t patch it? If your favorite gun gets a nerf, refund?
If your favorite gun gets a nerf, refund?
According to some players, yes lmao
Yeah, and that’s an extremely stupid reason why someone should get to refund.
This is a good analogy if you think of video games as a consumable product.
It’s not a good analogy if you see video games as art. Like if you buy a portrait from a painter and two weeks later they come to your house and paint over it to be a stick figure. Especially if it’s just because they want more money from you.
It’s also not a good analogy if you see video games as rented or leased goods, like most game studios execs want video games to be. Imagine renting a car for your trip across the country and half way there, you wake up at your hotel, look out the window, and the rental company swapped it out for a tractor in the middle of the night. Hope that works for you!
Sure, it’s in the contract that they can do that. And maybe you finished the trip so it doesn’t really affect you. But it’s happening to other people, and we shouldn’t trust the company going forward because one day it could be you that’s screwed out of what you paid for.
I would expect to be able to return a sandwich if halfway through eating it, the owner came up to my table and put cheese on it after specifically asking for no cheese because I’m lactose intolerant.
Or in the case of discontinued online games, it would like eating half the sandwich and having it taken away.
Game companies sure are completely disconnected from their audience these days.
When I was growing up, game companies were happy that their games became popular. There was none of this shit going on.
I don’t know when you grew up, but game publishers have a long history of fucking things up. Rushing development, buying studios and firing the core staff were and are frequent stories.
Yeah you need to just read back into the history of Atari
Just a few weeks ago helldivers was one of the poster child dev teams that got gamers and therefore deserve their success. What a turnaround…
Well they still are beholden to Sony executives that have no idea what gamers want unfortunately.
I still love Arrowhead. It’s not like their intention was to fuck over their players. I’m sure they’re not super happy about the situation. Though the team being who they are, they’re not exactly ones to take shit in any form lol. Which honestly makes them more enduring to me. Having suffered being a core BF5 player those devs these are not, DICE had bent over backwards to whoever screamed loudest on the subreddit which did nothing but damage the game and its lifespan. Granted this situation isn’t totally comparable, but the parallels are there.
their decision to use an unnecesary intrusive rootkit ai should have clued players into how little the devs care about the players
They don’t need to be connected to their audience. Dumbass people continue to buy loot crates, battle passes, unfinished early access games, overprices skins, etc…
It’s 62,477 negative for the May 3rd, and 18,604 negative so far today
Steamcharts doesn’t show a nosedive I’ve expected, but we’d see: https://steamcharts.com/app/553850
This is exactly what I expected. People are liars and slacktivists.
The product is still working. In this case it’s probably worth waiting for the stats after they implement this feature.
I’m doing my part.
/insertmeme
Based, fuck Sony and the power trip happy community manager at Arrowhead that wants to ban people easier.
I haven’t tried the account linking process yet but I wanted first to log in to PSN through their website and I can’t, not even from different devices.
Anyone else having a similar issue?
Stop advertising this game
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You’re just salty
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