Why wouldn’t they? They are, after all, the craven whores who thirst for corporate donor cock.
Hey, I agree with the sentiment but sex work is a respectable job unlike being a crooked as shit congress person ruining the future of countless people :)
Also being a slut is a respectable job too, the world runs on sluts like me.
That’s all great, but the real thing that will stop it is economics. We have a PHEV and I calculated it out and we pay $8 per gallon equivalent compared to $5.50 for regular gas. That’s a pretty big difference. Right now we ignore the EV part of the vehicle. (Live in California and I pay $0.50/kwh.)
We’re planning on getting solar shortly and that may make it feasible, but until then, it’s not.
Where in California are you? Here in SoCal with SCE their PRIME Time Or Use plan is $0.26/kWH from 9PM - 4PM. Totally works for my family since we work from home and drive EVs locally. We also have a 2019 Prius which gets us about 50-55 MPG and 500+ miles on a full tank for longer drives.
Edit: I should add that the standard Time Of Use plan is $0.38/kWH from 9PM - 4PM. Peak hour usage from 4PM - 9PM is somewhere between $0.53 - $0.62/kWh I think.
We mainly charge our car overnight and it works out well for us.
I’m in the SF bay area.
The off-hours rate for my electricity is $0.04 cheaper than the prime hours rate. It’s laughable. $0.51 vs $0.47. Why bother even thinking about it at that pathetic difference? It’s certainly not going to change the math much.
Ouch!! That is brutal. Do you see a lot of EVs on the road there?
This is the home of Tesla. There are a million EVs here.
Is electric pricey where you are? It’s been a while since I calculated, but last I checked, electric was cheaper in my area than gas for most of the electric vehicles.
50 cents per kWh sounds fucking insane to me. That’s like 5-6 times more than I pay in Canada.
I just checked prices in my region. About 0.07 cents per kWh. Without subsidies. Including “Crimea Tax”.
It’s shockingly high. I live in the SF bay area and I’m a bit pissed off at how bad we’re getting screwed.
Good God, your utility company isn’t even using lube when they fuck you with a rusty shovel. Without solar, my time off use plan would make it $0.08/kWh. With solar I don’t even bother figuring out what my cost per mile is because it’s irrelevant till I need a fast charger. I don’t even pay $0.50/kWh at a fast charger usually. I’d be going with a full off-grid solar battery system if I were you. Charging my neighbors cars for free before selling a joule back to those assholes
Cmon go so far right you hit the left and start advocating for public transit and improved mixed use infrastructure to “own the libs”
Republicans don’t pull out
what State’s have battery fabs? not KY, obviously - but, others, presumably?
what State’s have battery fabs? not KY, obviously - but, others, presumably?
Set to start production next year:
EVs are good an all but. they are just data collection machines. Electricity don’t grow on trees and I don’t even have a place to plug one in although I briefly rented a prius once (far from home ) and I liked it charging it whenever I was able to was convenient and on the limited commute I used it , I could get away with charging it on specific places and barely needed the gastank. I guess if you Americans have those large-homes garages parking spaces . and better infrastructure they are good for that put for ppl parking on the street and live on a flat at least where I am, finding a charger is a luxury. but even in your countries electricity is mostly fossil fuels isn’t it ? still better than polluting the road adjacent areas I guess. anyways these were my issues on the limited time I tried and ev an contemplated about buying one not related to republicans or America I know but adoption related ?.
A car still a car. Fuck cars. Yes, EVs too.
Cars will be needed, period
Having said that, 90something percent of car rides are under 5 kms and can be done by bike IF good biking infrastructure is available
We MUST redesign cities to become humans first, walking and biking must be easy, smaller cars can enter to destination, smaller trucks can enter to supply stores, and that’s it. If you design cites for people and bikes, people will use it. Add good public transportation, and you’re golden.
Right now in 99% of the cities in the world, using bikes is suicidal, walking anywhere beyond a parking lot is suicidal. We gotta change that part.
Most people will stop using expensive cars if they can bike everywhere, or use good regular public transportation for longer trips.
Inb4 “both parties are the same”.
While I hate stuff like these rollbacks, we are already starting to see EVs save people money on gas and service, and they are stupidly fast compared to ICE counterparts. That’s something Americans of all stripes can get behind.
Once I tried an ebike, I realized I never wanted to go back to gas engines. So fast, so much torque, and pennies to charge vs $70 gas tanks at Costco (even more at a normal gas station). It just makes economic sense to run PEVs in all major urban areas in addition to mass transit.
With traffic and some protected bike lanes, even a conventional bike can almost beat a car in a 7-14 mile drive in my city. An ebike makes it even easier.
Both parties are the same doesn’t mean that they have literally the same policy it means that they work together and focus on Republican policy. Because there are only two choices the fact that the Democrats are perpetually the weaker half despite having a much greater Democratic majority including during voting when you claim that it matters it means that the Republican policy always gets passed.
So basically, one side is a hive mind that’s required to always do what its most powerful members want, and the other has free thinkers that sometimes disagree, and you’re saying that the latter is weak, pointless, and should never exist.
Buddy, this is a terrible definition of “weak”. What you’re describing is a goddamn borg cube.
we are already starting to see EVs save people money on gas and service, and they are stupidly fast
- there was an article on measurable air pollution improvements in I think San Francisco, attributed to EV use
- the stupidity on industrial policy gets me: EVs are a new industry growing fast, and Chinese companies are growing fastest. Effing idiots want to throw away the chances for American companies to get into the new market. Sure, be more profitable for the next quarter while watching your legacy market dry up and don’t even try to make your mark. Somehow this is all twisted up in Sinophobia and racism and we’re in Bizarro World where everything is opposite
Is this why Elon is working so hard to run Tesla into the ground? 5d chess, something something…
They are trying to discredit Elon it is just getting dumb
If by “they” you mean Elon himself then yes and it sure is getting dumb.
Elon has next to nothing to do with Tesla…
Elon singlehandedly decimated the future of the Supercharger network, and by extension the future of Tesla.
Elon Musk, the CEO of company, has next to nothing to do with Tesla?
He hasn’t really been present much. They call him the pigeon CEO
Then why is he asking shareholders to approve a $56 billion personal pay package? Seems kinda steep for a guy who isn’t really present…
He hasn’t taken a salary in years
Look up thos congresspersons’ donor history
Bet my bottom dollar they’re getting donations from groups that tie back to the auto industry
Get the fucking money out of politics
I’d argue the oil and gas industry, not auto. Lots of auto industry players like GM, Ford, Honda, Toyota are selling EV’s. There’s a market for them, people want them, there’s money on the table. Why would auto not want that.
EVs are being built to save the car industry not the planet. I’ll probably get an electric vehicle once the kinks get worked out but I know how the materials are acquired and what happens when the batteries can’t hold a charge. It’s a baby step but definitely shouldn’t be stopped from evolving.
EV battery recycling is too valuable not to happen.
So there are politicans who really believe that climate change is a conspiracy? Or they just don’t care for the future?
They’re bought by the oil industry
I don’t think it matters whether or not they really believe it.
Those who don’t, believe in money.
Electric cars aren’t going to fix climate change
Ok then that means we have to consider the fact that Car-oriented zoning laws and construction are bad for our future. 15-minute cities and infrastructure to support alternative modes of transit for longer distances are the way forward.
Yes, but an easy target.
It’s gonna help. There’s not an all out 1 solution.
But don’t you see, unless there is one magical silver bullet solution that fixes everything then it’s all worthless and we should go back to dumping CFC’s into the atmosphere.
We should defintely still make EVs, overall they are going to be better than ICE. We just shouldn’t force/subsidize everyone to have to buy and drive an EV like we did with ICE cars.
Electric trains might, but we’re even worse at building them than cars.
They can be built from acorn and twigs.
Are we? Diesel-ev hybrid is fairly effective and proven. Making a pure ev would just mean taking the diesel out, adding more batteries and installing electrical rail or over head trolley cables to charge them. Trains run on a schedule, so logistic planning should be straight forward.
Are we?
Recently, yes. California’s spent 16 years not building rail. The Gulf Coast states have been tearing their rail out and replacing it with highways for over a decade. The Upper Midwest has just kinda given up on doing anything useful, and just watched its transit infrastructure collapse.
My point is is that the tech is there. There’s just an unwillingness.
In the states, certainly. Elsewhere, its wildly popular.
The problem is that highway advocates don’t solve the problem of “who’s going to pay for all this?”. The reason infrastructure in America is in disrepair is that funding for highways is supposed to be gotten from tolls and road taxes. But since everywhere in America is a freeway… there’s no funding for repairs.
Expecting the Government budget to cover maintenance of infrastructure is wishful thinking… unless you’re also willing to agree that the military is allocated too much money.
funding for highways is supposed to be gotten from tolls and road taxes.
Regressive taxation leads to overfunded main roads and underfunded side streets.
Expecting the Government budget to cover maintenance of infrastructure is wishful thinking
Roads are fundamental to the operation of any government. It isn’t simply that states need to maintain roads. It is that states need roads in order to exist.
Roads are fundamental to the operation of any government. It isn’t simply that states need to maintain roads. It is that states need roads in order to exist.
Is it right to say then, that the users of the roads pay for maintenance? Do you expect the government to print more money to pay for maintenance?
Edit:
Regressive taxation leads to overfunded main roads and underfunded side streets.
As opposed to both main roads and side streets being underfunded without tolls and road taxes? Do you expect Government to print money to pay for all this?
Have you seen how old they are? Doesn’t matter for them.
All that we want to do is see to it that we live another 100 years is that so god damn polarizing?!?!
It’s all about the Petrodollar and America retaining the worlds reserve currency
Petrodollar shit is all old Soviet Cold war propaganda. It actually makes very little sense. Moreover, having the world’s reserve currency is not really the benefit people make it out to be. The dollar is powerful because the scale of the US economy is enormous, and the US has a lot of friends. But like, the Euro or GBP doesn’t suffer because random third countries don’t settle trades with it. And the reason why eg, China’s currency is shit in comparison is because it’s overtly manipulated and China’s autocratic instincts scare people away from using Chinese bonds as an inflation resistant cash proxy. The same exact things were true with the USSR, which is why they needed to push conspiracies about the omnipotence of the dollar.
Straightup
I thought so too, but it doesn’t even make sense, because the only one they’re hurting this way is themselves.
If they don’t adopt EVs, it will be to their disadvantage in the long run.
“Long run” what’s that? The only thing that matters is quarterly profits.
unfortunately
Honestly, dumping tons of money into tech that has so many problems may not he the best idea.
It’s almost like any new technology starts out with problems that get solved through time, money, and resources.
…that shouldn’t be provided by the government.
So I take it you’re against the government subsidizing science research in general? “The government shouldn’t fund new technology” is a stupid and destructive position. We’d be living in the 1800s if it were up to solely the capitalistic market. I mean, the first broadly effective antibiotics that are responsible for saving probably hundreds of millions of lives at least only exist because of people working in government-funded labs, under government-funded universities, for the government. Why should the environment be treated like it doesn’t matter to our civilization?
Are you vegan or something? Without government subsidies, beef would cost Americans like $25 per pound. But you don’t want subsidies on anything?
So you want to end subsidies for oil and gas, for farmers to grow corn that gets turned into ethanol, or just subsidies for EVs? Let’s be clear here.
What problems
OK, let’s just get rid of cars altogether, then.
You can pry my car out of my cold dead fingers
you’re a dumbass. The advocates for a car-free society want to make it so that owning a car is not mandatory because alternatives will exist.
It is not mandatory now, although it is convenient.
Agreed. The innumerable problems that coincide with fossil fuel based technology means it’s a terrible idea to continue to subsidize it at taxpayer expense.
Surely the oil and energy companies have their own investments into renewables. I can’t imagine why Rs would die on this hill except for their little culture war.
Because you can’t corner the renewables market like the oil markets have been. Also oil dependence means a constant need for oil. Solar panels or windmills are much more install and forget. So yeah, they can invest in oil alternatives, but they won’t make nearly as much money from it.
