What do you think?
One of My strongest memories is watching a documentary where they claimed dogs don’t dream, and my dogs directly in front of the TV making little sleep barks and moving legs deep into some dream.
Let’s be honest we are animals and the rest aren’t all that far behind us.
I can tell that even my pet gerbils have dreams. Man I’d love to know what they’re dreaming of. They’ve effectively spent their entire lives inside that glass terrarium so I can’t imagine there being a huge variety of novel experiences to dream of.
Yeah I understand but I’m talking about an inner monologue, not about dreaming…
Dreaming definetly involves quite deep thoughts imo.
I just found it absolutely mad these science guys on TV where claiming dogs don’t dream, I mean it’s obviously nonsense to anyone who has ever had a dog how the hell do they get to their nonsense conclusions
Are we even sure everyone has one of those? Not everyone has a mind’s eye.
Not everyone has an inner monologue
Not even all humans have that little voice.
In a way that scares me, but it would explain how we have so many different ways of looking at life.
I’m one of the people who doesn’t have a little voice. It weirds me out that other people do.
Do you ever speak to yourself out loud?
Nope
When you think about what you’re going to write, do you compose any of it in your head first?
Like, this sentence I am writing after I thought the first half of it in my brain. The rest of this paragraph I’m writing one word at a time, but I still imagine each word.
Oh no. I don’t know how to explain it. It’s just my existence. It just streams out of my brain, through my fingers instantaneously. There is no first half second half.
Although I am a known terrible writer.
Worth noting, this is normal from my perspective. I think all of you are the weird ones.
Are you able to visualize? I have an inner monologue but no ability to visualize
I can visualize and have an inner monologue, I was just pointing out that not everyone does.
Sorry, I hope I didn’t come off as aggressive! I just think it’s amazing all the different ways people think.
You didn’t! I was just clarifying, no worries.
I don’t believe this. I know this is supposedly true, but I feel like people are lieing just to feel special or something.
How can someone not have a head voice? If one needs to go to the supermarket, does one not think “humm… What do I need… I need bananas, toilet paper…”…
Fantastic attitude. Do you always discount things you’re too stupid to understand as lies or is this a special case?
Do you see things in your brain?
And maybe reflect a little bit on why you immediately reject the experiences of others just because they differ from your specific one?
When I used to come out of the closet as a teenager, this was a common response: “it’s not real” or “you’ve decided to do this”.
It didn’t occur to me I could have righteous indignation about it, but it did lead to me to a place where I’m still enthusiastically delighted/shocked/vindicated when straight people literally don’t care about gays, or aren’t disgusted by gays, or when they wish noncishet people happy anniversary.
Thoughts, yes. Please keep in mind that thoughts are not necessarily in the form of a voice, even in humans.
I would say that animals have thoughts, yes. But I don’t think that they have an inner monologue or voice.
You could probably ask someone who has no inner voice. I think animals might be more similar to that.
Humans are animals.
True though that may be, there’s no benefit to mentioning that in this situation.
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… So what sort of non-human are you? 🧐
I was making the point on the notion that we might be alone in that vs animals. If you don’t distinguish man from other animals, why would you assume that they couldn’t?
Yes. They think less but they vibe more. We overthink and undervibe.
They don’t have language, so they can’t have the internal dialogue.
But can they have imagination? Since many animals have dreams, then why not?
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My dog’s would often woof and move their paws on their dreams.
How can you say that animals don’t have language?
As I said in an earlier comment elsewhere in this post:
Have you never seen a dog wag their tail or play bow?
Have you never seen a squirrel twitching their tail at another squirrel who’s encroached on their territory?
Have you never encountered any media about whale songs?
All kinds of animals have all kinds of language.
Based on watching my Borzoi decide whether or not to sneak into the kitchen, I’d say yes.
I think so. I have parrots who are at a 4 year old human’s intelligence level. They do things they know they shouldn’t and wait for me to turn my back, it’s like they know they shouldn’t but have an intrusive thought and act on it. Of course, once I say “excuse me…” With the dad tone, they fly to their cages and pretend they did nothing. To me that takes thought and reasoning, desire, planning, action, etc. On their part.
Dogs dream, and dreams are just thoughts.
Animals have thoughts, that is clear as day.
Inner Monolog? In a way. But not like us because they don’t speak English motherfucker.
But it’s possible to have thoughs if you don’t have inner monologue?
Bro, not even all people have an inner monologue. There are many different modes to process thoughts.
Yes. A thought can be a picture.
And I don’t say that they don’t have inner Monolog. It wouldn’t be like ours because that depends on the language we use.
A dogs inner Monolog would be barking I guess.
Have you ever been close to a cat? I cant believe they can be wacky like this without some sort of inner monologue and intention.
I think that it’s on a sliding scale. Some animals clearly have some kind of inner thought process, and clearly have their own personalities. Others not as much. I know that with cats, for instance, there are tools you can use that allow cats to communicate certain concepts to people, stings of buttons that are each linked to a discrete word. Cats can learn to string button presses together to ‘say’ things to their keepers. (Apparently the most common thing they ask for is clean water, so clean your cat’s water daily.) That may not be evidence of “thought” in the way that you’re thinking about it, but there’s clearly some form of cognition going on there.
clean water
I used to have a cat who did this. He would lead me to the bathroom, jump into the tub, and then wait patiently until I turned on the bath faucet – just a trickle!
Wait, you have a little voice in your head??
Not sure if meta or real.
Yeah you know like the devil and the angel of the cartoons…
I’m sure it depends on the animal. In fact humans think in at least two inner voices.
The ear consciousness is receptive, and the speech consciousness is active.
What I mean by this is a dog or another animal that spends a lot of time with people likely has a passive inner voice of their owner. A dog might hear an owner yell no when they go to do something the owner doesn’t like, even if their owner isn’t around.
Animals that are capable of speech such as a parrot, will likely have an active speech consciousness. Which is more somatic in tone.
For example, when I am in active speech consciousness I can feel my jaw and tongue muscles move. When in passive listening consciousness, my ears might move or strain to try to hear the inner speech.
With practice these somatic sensations can be decoupled from their internal sense consciousnesses. Which tends to help them quiet down and deepen meditation.
This is one of my favorite practices that’s accessible for people who don’t really meditate. The guided meditation is the first fifteen minutes of the video, so you don’t have to listen for the whole hour to get an inkling of what I’m pointing at.
