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      Lol. I had a chemistry prof in university that every year, when teaching dilution, mixed up a solution of arsenic that was 2x the lethal dose and then diluted it over and over and over and then drank the water.

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        RIP Mr. Randi

        Before Randi’s retirement, JREF sponsored the One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, which offered a prize of $1 million to applicants who could demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event under test conditions agreed to by both parties.

        You can imagine how many zeros of millions they paid out

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    Do they not clue themselves in when they all suggest completely different solution?

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    What is funny is their remedies would only have had an effect if it was done right away. Still wouldn’t have treated tetanus, but as far as wound management some of that does something.

    Homeopaths are derrainged and do more harm than good with traditional medicine.

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      I bet a lot of people peddling homeopathy just think it’s herbs and water, and don’t know the initial theories behind it like “the law of similars” (thinking something can be treated by a substance that causes similar symptoms) and miasma (outdated idea on how diseases spread), or the fact that it’s often so diluted to the point where whatever was originally there is essentially gone.

      At least some natural/traditional remedies are legit, but still see an actual fucking doctor over anything serious.

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        At least some natural/traditional remidies are legit

        Yes. But that’s not Homeopathy. Holistic/Herbal medicine is valid (for the most part). Heck, most medicine started out as our ancestors realising that this or that plant eased pain, or lowered inflammation or a hundred other things.

        Modern medicine is mostly just a distillation of those age old cures into more convenient pill form.

        But let’s be really really clear here, Homeopathy is NOT “traditional medicine”. It’s a scam. This notion that because an infection makes your eye red, and an onion also makes your eye red, therefore a drop of diluted onion water will cure your eye infection is just a straight up insane at best, criminal at worst.

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        The people who believe homeopathy are either cons and grifters or gullible people who believe what they are told and wouldn’t dare look further than the testimonial and cherry-picked articles.

        Understanding the history and theory are so much further than the Facebook post they read that convinced them.

        I know universal healthcare wouldn’t get rid of them all, but man, would there be so much less.

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      Homeopaths are derrainged and do more harm than good with traditional medicine.

      This is a true statement in that homeopaths do nothing good and do some harm. It’s a waste of money and time. Their system is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of reality in multiple ways (“like cures like”, water memory, etc.) and provides no benefit unless you count a little extra water intake as a point in their column.

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      It’s a shame because it gets a bad rap but there’s a lot of things that can be healed using more natural methods.

      I got rid of scabbies by taking cayenne pepper baths and an other product, I forget the name but it affects their reproduction cycle. I also put paste of the stuff on the “sore” every now an then and washed my sheets every day.

      My friends on the others went through some intense cleaning of their houses and put plastic on everything that wasn’t washable. They also washed themselves with some seriously intense chemicals. They said it was almost unbearable and felt like skin wide burning while my baths only made my neither regions tingle a bit.

      We all got the same results in the same amount of time in the end.

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        We believe that man-made remedies are inherently better and have lost our connection to nature in another way.

        It definitely is a lot more convenient to buy a pack of pills instead of having to go into your store of sheep sorrel that you gathered in-season for when you have a sore joint.

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      I don’t think any of those remedies are advisable to any wound. Even hydrogen peroxide have not been used in wounds in recent years.

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        Hydrogen Peroxide has actually been proven in lab tests to delay healing. So it’s ok if that’s all you have to sanitize a wound, but it’s not a great choice otherwise.

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    My mother got lockjaw, but she was also born in ‘45. It sure didn’t stop her from screaming at me though. I feel bad for the lunatic antivaxers’ kids. Destroying their kids’ lives because they’ve been tricked into distrusting facts.

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      Well, this happened to a 6-year-old. It’s rough reading:

      His opisthotonus worsened, and he developed autonomic instability (hypertension, tachycardia, and body temperatures of 97.0°F–104.9°F [36.1°C–40.5°C]). He was treated with multiple continuous intravenous medication infusions to control his pain and blood pressure, and with neuromuscular blockade to manage his muscle spasms. A tracheostomy was placed on hospital day 5 for prolonged ventilator support. Starting on hospital day 35, the patient tolerated a 5-day wean from neuromuscular blockade. On day 44, his ventilator support was discontinued, and he tolerated sips of clear liquids. On day 47, he was transferred to the intermediate care unit. Three days later, he walked 20 feet with assistance. On day 54, his tracheostomy was removed, and 3 days later, he was transferred to a rehabilitation center for 17 days.

      The boy required 57 days of inpatient acute care, including 47 days in the intensive care unit. The inpatient charges totaled $811,929 (excluding air transportation, inpatient rehabilitation, and ambulatory follow-up costs). One month after inpatient rehabilitation, he returned to all normal activities, including running and bicycling. Despite extensive review of the risks and benefits of tetanus vaccination by physicians, the family declined the second dose of DTaP and any other recommended immunizations.

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        espite extensive review of the risks and benefits of tetanus vaccination by physicians, the family declined the second dose of DTaP and any other recommended immunizations.

        God fucking damn it how the fuck are people this dumb?!

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          Phrased differently: When the family was offered a choice between a provenly effective solution (which they themselves witnessed) or another roll of the dice, they emphatically said “roll the dice baby! My child’s life on red!”

          So unbelievably stupid.

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            Stupid or sadistic, and I’m leaning towards sadistic. There are people who enjoy watching their children suffer, and they justify it by saying “Suffering builds character”. Or maybe it’s God’s plan. If God wants you to get sick, then you’ll get sick. You shouldn’t get vaccinated, because then you’re interfering with God’s plans!

            I had somebody like this in my family.

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          I feel like the family should be liable, and the child taken to a family that’s not dangerously stupid.

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      I’d say it is. Tetanus is bacterial. Its not caused by rust. The rusty nail method of transmission isn’t from a nail in a building like the post. Its from barns: stepping on an exposed nail in the past often happened in old rotting barns where animals would have been kept. The bacteria would be in animal feces, and would be in the dust/dirt of the barn, which would coat old exposed nails; go deep in mostly anerobic tissue and the bacteria would infect the bloodstream.

      A rusty nail in the city won’t have cow shit dust on it, so no tenanus.

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        Tetanus spores are in the dirt, everywhere, not just cow shit. The fear of rusty nails is because the wound needs to be relatively deep. It doesn’t grow well in open wounds.

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        My dad got it from inside a dirty house and cutting himself. You can get it from any wound from anything that has tetanus on it. Absolutely including a nail, rusty or otherwise.

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    Conservatives are deadly fucking stupid. I don’t mind them killing themselves, but killing their children is just horrific to witness. Conservatives should not be permitted to be parents.

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      I read a statistic that in the US 37% of conservatives and 9% of liberals didn’t get vaccinated. So it favours the right more.

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      Well, and it doesn’t help when, for example, the US government administered STDs under the guise of vaccines (see Tuskegee study). Let’s not forget that bullshit and how that echoes through generations…who we put in our government fuckin matters!

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      If he doesn’t have access to a car, he may be unable to get to a doctor/hospital on his own. Many parts of the US are like this.

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        And with enough homeschooling and policing of information the kid may not even realize how bad they have it.

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      Agreed. I’m willing to allow that adults should have the right to refuse vaccination, as stupid a decision as that may be, but very much in the same way that adults have the right to starve themselves. You do not have the right to starve your children, and vaccination should be seen in the same way (it should also never come at a direct personal cost; vaccines solve public health problems, they should be paid from the public purse).

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        That’s probably why they say “v’s” instead of vaccines. An attempt to get around automated filters.