• Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 months ago

    it’s funny seeing people struggle to handle the fact that we and our food is primarily made of carbon and hydrogen, which is exactly what coal and other fossil fuels are made of as well.

    this, and margarine in general, aren’t some horrid “chemical” product, it’s just carbon and hydrogen (and some other stuff) assembled into fat!

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      2 months ago

      The problem with a lot of synthetics it produces molecules that are chirally or structurally different from the target molecules. People forget like WW2 is like 10-15 years after a bunch of people were poisoned by “wonder supplements” like radium. People should be skeptical of a WW2 recipe.

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      2 months ago

      I envy the faith you have in process and quality control, especially knowing these products are produced by the profit seeking capitalist class who definitely do NOT feed it to their own families.

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    2 months ago

    “Nutritious and of agreeable taste” seems like such a German way to describe it

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    2 months ago

    I wonder if the concept of “plastip” in Future Boy Conan came from this. They recycle it into food, weapons, and fuel.

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    2 months ago

    Holy shit, one kilo of butter from 60kg of coal?!

    That’s some pretty spenny butter for “agreeable taste”

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      2 months ago

      i wonder how much emissions turning coal to butter creates. Maybe we should turn world’s coal to butter so planetkillhappy bastards cant burn it.

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        2 months ago

        Given it seems to generate 59kg of waste product, I don’t think it is going to be that great for the environment

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      2 months ago

      You might be surprised what the material and energetic footprint of dairy is.

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      2 months ago

      “The Germans preferred Ersatz.”

      (Or at least that’s how I remember that quote from Catch-22 when I read it 25 years ago…)

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    2 months ago

    If you make it from coal it is vegan because coal is just plants. If it’s made from petroleum it is not vegan because it is made from dinosaurs.

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      2 months ago

      In general my understanding is coal was trees, oil was mostly algae and plankton, and mostly started forming well before the first true dinosaurs.

      Technically some of that plankton would be considered animals, though probably not something you’d easily recognize as being an animal (side-note: I’d be curious to hear some vegetarians/vegans weigh in on the theoretical ethics of eating zooplankton)

      I’m sure there’s some edge cases, traces of more complex animals and such getting mixed in with dead plankton, and at the end of the day carbon is carbon regardless of where it comes from

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      2 months ago

      Petroleum is also from plants/algea/bacteria/etc. All fossil fuels come non-animal living things things.

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      2 months ago

      made from dinosaurs

      False, it’s from trees that grew, died, and fell down into piles and got buried, for millions upon millions of years, before anything on the planet evolved to eat their corpses.

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      2 months ago

      I wish he’d make a video on how to remove aspartame from diet soda and replace it with regular sugar so I can finally drink this stupid hard mountain dew I bought before I realized they idiotically ONLY released it in nasty zero sugar flavors

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          2 months ago

          To me, aspartame tastes plastic-y and reminds me of how hot asphalt smells. It has more of a chemical taste than a sweet one. Toothpaste gets a pass only because of all the mint that masks it.

          Sucralose (Splenda) can taste rather like aspirin in the right concentration. Again, it’s “sweet” in a way but isn’t quite right.

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        2 months ago

        I’m the exact opposite actually. I never liked the taste of regular coke, too sweet, so I’ve been drinking Diet Coke since I was a kid. Drink a couple of liters per week (although I’ve cut down since inflation has made it cost as much as liquid gold). I dislike the fake sweet flavor of Coke Zero, but I love the more refreshing taste of Diet Coke. It’s like sparkling water with caffeine.

        I do realize the taste of Diet Coke varies quite a lot over the world, but in Western Europe it tastes perfect for me.

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          I like regular “Mexican” coke we have here in the states, ig Coca-cola reduces the sugar used in Latin-america or something.

          But I can taste the aspartame immediately and it disgusts me. It doesn’t come across as a “sugar, but less sweet” it comes across as “Trying to be sugar but tastes like a metallic chemical compound instead”

  • BougieBirdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 months ago

    60kg of coal to make 1kg of margarine!

    I don’t know the chemistry behind it, but I suspect even if I did I wouldn’t want to eat it

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      2 months ago

      Given how many people here in Australia love to suck up to coal and petrol companies, I suspect they would want to

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        margarine is absolutely fine, i don’t understand where you all get this idea that it’s “nasty” aside from it being cheaper and thus associated with poor people

        it feels like how jamie oliver raged against chicken nuggets as some lower quality food, which is pretty clearly just him being a classist shithead.

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            2 months ago

            and i eat margarine all the time and it tastes like exactly what it is: solid fat

            it has no flavour beyond that of generic fat, i can only assume that anyone claiming otherwise is getting a product with something else in it, or they’re making shit up.

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              There is no “generic fat”. The texture isn’t the same. The flavor isn’t the same.

              If you serve me margarine like it’s butter, I will spit it in a trash can in front of you, and it will take an extended period of time and mouthwash to get that nasty grimy shit out of my mouth. You pretending “it’s just fat” is fine, but I’m telling you, people are disgusted by margarine because it’s really fucking disgusting, and if you try to sneak margarine by me, it will destroy the entire meal.

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                  2 months ago

                  You’re the one acknowledging the consensus that margarine is disgusting and arguing it’s some big conspiracy instead of the fact that it’s more disgusting than serving someone a bowl full of actual shit.

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          2 months ago

          margarine is absolutely fine

          It’s hydrogenated cooking oil; trans-fats. It is absolutely not good to eat regularly.

          That said, I do appreciate it for it’s long shelf life and availability when better foods are expensive or unavailable.

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            2 months ago

            Margarine these days is mostly a mix of either palm or coconut oil with something like soybean or canola oil. I wouldn’t be surprised if butter had more naturally occurring trans fats.

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            2 months ago

            this is outright misinformation, the swedish food safety department specifically says that modern margarine has basically no trans fats whatsoever.

          • ElmarsonTheThird@discuss.tchncs.de
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            2 months ago

            The Wikipedia article linked on top states that most margarine has moved to lower trans-fats since the turn of the century. It’s probably at least as healthy as butter, if not moreso.