pronography
It’s not just amateur nography, it’s professional nography.
Better than antinography
But slower than chronography.
Not as lithe as lithography
And certainly not as spooky as spectrography
That tracks and it’s really a shame how people treated her
Her name was already perfect for it
you should all shut up, since that person was right about britney all allong, albeit he or she kinda messed up the execution.
i feel bad for th eharrasment he or she faced.
Are you saying we should “Leave Cara Alone!!!”
no, i said:
"you should all shut up…blabla. ".
What was wrong about the execution? Shit went viral. Seems pretty perfect
It was viral but not likely in a “good” or “nice” way, it was honestly hilarious, my take at the time was, bruh why do you care so much that you’re literally having a breakdown about people talking shit about a celebrity.
Any viral is good viral
Very easy to say when it’s not your face being blasted everywhere in exclusively negative contexts
Negative?
I would say so, yeah. When that “leave Britney alone” video came out, it was universally mocked. No one was like “man this person seems upset, maybe they’re right”, it was became an iconic cringe-meme blasted on every media source, be it comedy shows, shit like South Park, websites, diss channels… all with the intent of laughing at the guy. It was like being canceled but not for doing anything wrong, just for being hilarious to make fun of.
Definitely not the good kind of viral
Damn after all the legal cases, Cara was right!!! We should’ve listened! I remember thinking, holy shit yeah leave Brittney alone!
Please don’t deadname people
I’m going to do it even harder now
That’s not what deadnaming is.
It’s a bit difficult in a case like this, as it does add context and acknowledges their new identity so as to link what was a well known video to an existing person. I’d struggle to know who this was otherwise. I don’t think there’s any malintent here.
I think the preferred way to arrange the headline would have been “TIL Cara Cunningham, formerly known as Chris Cocker…” The way it’s currently worded implies that “Chris Cocker” is their current and/or valid name. I’m sure that wasn’t OP’s intent at all, but I can also see where Blaze is coming from.
Does it add any useful context, though? I don’t know either name but I do remember the “Leave Britney alone” video being a thing (and the fact that the person in the video turned out to be right all along when the truth about Britney’s situation came out years later), so the added context that she’s trans and what her dead name was is meaningless to me other than to say, “She used to be a man. She’s a woman now, but she was a man before. Did you know that? That she was once a man? Because she was. Here’s what her name was.”
As a trans woman, whose safety is so dependent on being able to go stealth in society, if I found out people were going around talking about me like this, I’d take a rusty icepick and make sure that they never think in words ever again. Lack of malicious intent doesn’t mean that no harm was caused. Your threat index is not universal.
This could have very easily been left at “Trans woman X got into porn after her viral video Y” and there would be all the context needed to figure out who they were and what video they were in without using their dead name. Hell, you probably wouldn’t even have to point out that she’s trans for people to figure it out. Cis people treat the privacy of trans people the same way that the paparazzi treats the privacy of celebrities.
if I found out people were going around talking about me like this, I’d take a rusty icepick and make sure that they never think in words ever again.
That seems like a perfectly appropriate reaction.
TIL the internet doesn’t understand hyperbole so long as it’s a trans person using it.
Wtf? You think a rusty icepick is a valid response if someone calls you by wrong name and gender? Y’all need Jesus or some shit like that. Damn…
A lobotomy with a rusty ice pick, at that. I don’t know of any situation in which torture could ever be conceived by anyone as an appropriate response, yet here we are
Did you miss the part about how my safety is dependent on going stealth? I moved somewhere where nobody knew me after transitioning for a reason. A stranger going around and telling random people my dead name would be like a stranger going around telling random people that a person is in witness protection and what their real name is. Again, your threat index isn’t universal.
The first rule of self-defense is that a battle not fought is a battle won. The second rule is if you have to hurt a man, you hurt him so bad that you need never fear his vengeance. If he can stand up, he can come right back at you.
Edgey AF
So your response to feeling possibly in danger by someone calling you by the wrong name is to murder them? That’s totally normal and not at all unhinged.
A. Hyperbole, look it up.
B. Why do you think it’s okay to dox people?
Please point out to me where I said it was okay to dox people. I’ll wait…
The context that we’re talking about here isn’t somebody that you know personally and have permission from/are talking to mutual friends of. We’re talking about publicly announcing a stranger’s dead name to everybody who reads this post and the justification that it’s okay because they once had 15 minutes of internet fame from a video going viral before they transitioned. At best, it’s a paparazzi-esque invasion of privacy, and at worst, it’s straight up doxxing.
So brave
She is, isn’t she?
It’s completely fine to deadname people in the case that you’re telling someone that a trans person goes by a new name. Otherwise you’re playing “Guess who’s trans!” for a painfully awkward five minutes while they list anecdotes about people that you weren’t actually present to witness.
Except that’s not at all what’s happening here. We’re not talking about somebody we know personally with their permission or anything, we’re talking about an actress who got into pornography after having an emotional video go viral many years ago. Her dead name has nothing to do with that, and if you had even left out the fact that she’s trans, most people probably could’ve figured it out if they even bothered to go check out the original video. Abd if they didn’t? It wouldn’t make a difference in their knowledge of the subject. They’d still know that a woman who had an emotional video go viral years ago later became a porn actress. All her dead name adds to this is a possibly paparazzi style invasion of her privacy.
Chris Crocker might’ve been a recognizable name a while back when the video was made
This thread is already “guess who’s trans” and is the definition of deadnaming.
No it isn’t, because her old name is in the title. That is not what deadnaming is.
Well yes, that’s why I referred to it as deadnaming. This is the one circumstance where its reasonable to do. Otherwise it leads to unwittingly deadnaming someone to others (or god forbid, to their face).
The one circumstance where it is okay is when you want to deadname someone?
The only interesting fact here is that someone transitioned into who they actually are.
Alright, there’s no way we’re actually opposed people here. How do you tell people that someone has transitioned?
I don’t because it is not my place to tell.
That said: porn star Cara Cunningham was the star of the leave Britney alone meme.
Dude what are you talking about, yes it is. If they’re publicly out, and you’re not endangering them by doing so, and they havent asked you not to for some reason, it’s absolutely your place to let people know. You’re not stealing their thunder, you’re sparing them from being deadnamed/misgendered by everyone in their social circles and them having to explain it over and over and over. I get where you’re coming from, but have you had any close friends come out publicly as trans? It’s fucking scary and emotionally exhausting for them, anything you can do to take some of the load off is incredibly important.
It’s technically not deadnaming, because OP got the fucking name wrong. Chris Crocker. And that was just a stage name.
It’s funny how it seems totally acceptable to be a compete asshole towards other people, especially on social media, but we’re somehow supposed to accept deadnaming as being off the limits.
Being an asshole doesn’t put you at a disadvantage though. You can not be an ass and also not deadname people. Theres not a contradiction here.
Are you arguing that assholes dead name? If so then we are in total agreement.
Is it acceptable? In 4chan maybe
It’s a daily occurance on Lemmy as well. It just flies under the radar because for the most part it’s directed at people we don’t like to begin with.
I think criticizing people for what they do (eg: calling some politicians “murderers” because they allow genocide) is different than calling names just to hurt, which is what dead naming usually is.
I don’t think anyone should be okay with racism or that kind of attacks, even on people they hate. Kim Jong Un may be a piece of shit (or not), but calling him a racial slur is unproductive and definitely crossing the line.
Here, the deadnaming comes from ignorance, not hate; and it’s true that it might help clarify who someone is, but in this case everybody knows her for being the “leave Britney alone” person, not for her deadname. So it’s really unnecessary.
Sure, but I was mostly highlighting the naivety of coming to an online forum and effectively saying “please be nice and considerate of other people’s feelings” as if that’s going to achieve anything else but to make them look like a virtue signaling fool. It’s the internet we’re talking about after all. I agree with the intention, but see it as a wasted effort. Deadnaming is not going to become the next n-word.
Shit on people for what they do, not for what they are.
jonathan majors is (allegedly?) a domestic abusing piece of shit. Yet I didn’t see a massive swarm of people insisting we need to start calling him the n-word.
Yet when a trans person is in the media (also I am not sure how Cara is an asshole in this situation, but I have not followed her in the slightest), everyone suddenly decides it is their civic duty to be as transphobic as possible.
Which mostly just says a lot about them.
It was there for context. No one knows Cara, so it wouldn’t have made sense without knowing their former name. Maybe it could’ve been phrased better, but it is relevant information for context.
Then put the dead name after the current name, parenthetically
As I said, it could have been phrased better. But the take away I was trying to communicate is that they aren’t intending to offend by including the deadname. It’s just there for context and not something to be offended at.
I hope she’s doing well now.
She looks good glad for her and after reading Britney Spears book. Yes we all owe her a apology.
