You should never support the scumbags at Hasbro/WOTC if you are into tabletop games
What terrible timing. The customers are increasingly suspicious of anything even labeled AI. Investors are pushing this, but even they are starting to get cold feet. It only makes sense if they can sell it, and they increasingly can’t sell it.
If every company started jumping off a bridge, would you follow? /s
In all honesty, just because other companies are using AI doesn’t mean you should. Can’t wait for the AI bro bubble to pop and fully deflate.
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AI is there to stay. You are living in a fantasy world.
As one of the people leading the charge against Hasbro’s use of AI art in HeroQuest, fuck you. We can tell the difference, the quality is garbage, you’re stealing from qualified, skilled, hard-working artists, and we don’t give a fuck about the shareholders; so knock it the hell off
I actually can’t believe CEOs are this stupid. We legitimately live in Idiocracy. Do they actually think pointing to a random part of their business and saying “AI it!” will do anything? They’re probably going to use it for customer-facing generative AI or LLMs, which have already been shown to reduce customer enthusiasm! The companies who are going to be mildly successful with this will either put in the effort to find an actually useful use case for it, or will use it internally to remove like 60% of their workforce (most companies are too dumb for this, but the profits would be enormous if they ever figured it out).
In school they told us not to do drugs even if everyone was doing it…
Yeah, but drugs are awesome
Pretty much every kid that did D.A.R.E. when I was in middle school ended up smoking copious amounts of weed at the very least. D.A.R.E. shirts were a hot stoner commodity when I was in high school.
Fuck D&D, fuck Hasbro. There’s plenty of better alternatives.
That’s nothing. Wait until Mattel’s AI Talking Barbie tells little kids how to kill their parents…
What terrible timing. The customers are increasingly suspicious of anything even labeled AI. Investors are pushing this, but even they are starting to get cold feet. It only makes sense if they can sell it, and they increasingly can’t sell it.
Another day, another trend-chasing, creativity-hating corporation doing its thing. I really hope I can eventually get a cool art job despite all of this. Edit: Good thing I’m gonna try good ol’ Mathfinder out once I graduate from my DnD 5e training wheels.
A quick reminder that there are other TTRPGs out there beyond D&D. I’m currently running a short campaign with Old School Essentials and it’s pretty nice!
LLMs are absolutely brilliant for D&D. If you get writers block explaining the story so far you can get some amazing suggestions.
Obviously generating art if you’re not that way inclined is also amazing.
I feel like people are tearing you a new one for suggesting an actually useful and arguably ethical use of AI… If it isn’t for profit, it isn’t for the public, it’s fine. The only real concern is energy usage which don’t get me wrong is a problem but nerds getting past writers block isn’t going to be a meaningful impact compared to massive companies running millions of prompts with their public facing help bots. GMs yoink content from other creators constantly sometimes nearly word for word. Not everyone has the time to sink into building a shiny and perfect original world and tools like AI let them spend the time they have actually playing with friends. Don’t hate on people for liking or using AI for mundane personal stuff when the fight is with companies abusing these tools
Nah get the fuck out of my hobby with that stolen shit. If I learnt that my GM was using AI I’d be out of there so fast.
Yeah like people aren’t using existing materials in their campaigns.
These are not the same. Here are some of the ways someone may be fine with reusing existing material while being against AI:
- Someone may value thoughtful and coherent world building, while feeling like the AI generated amalgamation dilutes the cohesiveness of the material.
- Someone can be for public sharing of ideas, while simultaneously against AI companies disregarding licenses attached to those ideas to build AI products.
- Someone can value the personality and individual perspective that a content author or DM injects into material and feel that AI-generated material lacks this character.
Don’t reduce the use of AI down to the reuse of material. It also averages out material into some sort of lowest common denominator - sacrificing exactly the things that many niche fandoms value: personality and imagination.
And getting suggestions to help form your story takes any of those away?
I agree with the licensing implications but I doubt many people seek licenses from these guys before taking inspiration.
To some people, yes. To others, no. You’re replying to specific people who seem to be against the idea, and I’m guessing for them it detracts significantly from the experience.
At the end of the day all of the concepts we have in fantasy are derivative in some regard, so the line will vary just like it will vary for people that want to do total homebrew vs following a book.
My group dabbled with AI when it was at its peak buzz, and if I’m honest, my head cannon sort of ignores those bits. They don’t carry the same authenticity that I came to expect from my group. It detracts from my experience because I play ttrpgs primarily to learn about my friends and how they’ve interpreted a shared world, not to hear algorithmically mid fanfic. I’m also not crazy about following a book. With a book, at least I know someone willfully released the work into the world and is getting appropriately compensated.
As either inspiration or use it directly for a game that isn’t for profit.
Personal use implies not for profit. And I feel it’s expecting a lot for all DMs to create their own art.
Their tongue in your teeth
Why speak your own words when they can be stolen for you, with great convenience
I said use it for suggestions to break writers block.
How is using ai for suggestions any different then taking ideas from other media?
Avoid the pain (and potential growth) of writers block by stealing
Why develop your own voice and experience a real emotion when a corporation can serve one to you
You getting story suggestions definitely implies doing that.
Reading, understanding, and synthesizing your own art from someone else’s work is not the same thing as typing artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation artstation into a statistical machine.
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I was clearly talking about personal use.
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Are you making money from dming games?
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I don’t even play dnd nor do use ai (intentionally) for anything.
But I’d love to hear what specifically the “profit” is in this scenario.
And since I’m curious, what’s your stance on digital piracy? What about shoplifting?
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That is in fact literally what it means and what we are talking about here.
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D&D isn’t about writing. It’s about live, collaborative story telling with friends.
I think that statement massively downplays the amount of work a DM puts in behind the scenes to create the world.
I’d rather build a world together.
Absolutely. But you are still downplaying the amount of prep a DM has to do to make it playable and fleshed out.
Maybe it’s just my preference. I’m not doubting DMs out forth the bulk of the effort or anything, and I’m thankful for all who have served. (I say that tongue in cheek but not sarcastically lol, it is a big commitment.) But I think the Lazy DM approach is better and I also really enjoy collaborating about lore.
Edit: forgot a link, Lazy DM is a series of books https://slyflourish.com/lazydm/
