• Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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    Greta is a shining light of inspiration for every autistic person out there. I was in my mid-30s when she rose to prominence and I want to say that when I grow up I want to be her…

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    I personally wouldn’t mind if protests she support get violent, like really fight the operative systems destroying humanity and ecosystems.

    I would not prefer it, but def wouldn’t mind, in fact I would still support them. Actually, statistically speaking, non-violent protests arent really effective and still get shut down with violence.

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    The press agency removed that part now and calls it a mistake.

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    It’s funny that when misusing words (and laws, which are again words) if they actually literally turned violent, like organised crime or paramilitary force, how wound they classify them then?

    Oh, … oh no, they would be classified terrorists, wouldn’t they? (Even without using terror attacks on civilians)
    I say ‘oh no’ bcs that is the next word they are gonna use when they still protest peacefully:
    “The violent terrorists have brutally sat down & displayed extremely polarising signs about ending genocide, some of the sitting down terrorists even forced the police to use force in self-defence.”

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      Meanwhile your Nazi friends actually set fire to monuments and historic landmarks and people somehow still blame refugees.

      Fuck you.

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    The German Authorities: still keeping alive the Authoritarian mindset and “protecting” those commiting Genocide whilst claiming to represent a “superior” race from “Communists” and “lesser” races.

    You can get the Nazi Party out of Germany but you can never get the Nazism out of the hearts of the kind of German who seeks power.

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      You can get the Nazi Party out of Germany but you can never get the Nazism out of the hearts of the kind of German who seeks power.

      Hm, this, but for absolutely every nation on Earth ever, even the tiniest ones, the opposed ones, the ones oppressing others, etc etc.

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        That’s partly true.

        Whilst indeed sociopathic assholes are everywhere, the difference in what they end up doing is down to the culture of what’s acceptable or unnacceptable and of what is done about the latter in a society.

        Judging by what’s been done again and again in Germany from even before the start of this latest stage of the Israeli Genocide, the whole seeing of people as mainly members of an ethnicities and discriminating for or against them depending of ethnicity is very much culturally acceptable in Germany, as is the idea that it’s more important to forcefully control dissent against the acting on that Racism than it is to respect Democracy.

        Sadly the Israeli Genocide has brough into focus just how entrenched the viewing of people through the filter of racial prejudiced and the authoritarian thinking still are there (granted, more the former than the latter), especially compared with Democratic nations with less history of such things: Germany is ending in the wrong side of a Holocaust once again because the lesson culturally learned from the last one was not the Humanist “This should never be allowed to happen again” but instead it was “Germans should never do this again to Jews”, a version that strictly assigns victim status and hence deserving of protection on the basis of the ethnicity a person was born into, unconditionally and with no limit placing people into the “deserving of special treatment” category those born in the right ethnicity, as if all Jews were all the same and hence equaly victims and deserving of special treatment, and all non-Jews were the same and equally not victims and not deserving of that treatment. The Racism of this is further confirmed by how the Roma people (commonly known as Gypsies) who were equality targetted by the Nazis, do not receive the same treatment.

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          Yes, it is known.

          Can you name examples of countries without such history & persistent influences through generations?

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            I’ll give you an interesting example of how a similar Past get reflected differently in different countries.

            Germany is one of the few countries in Europe were if you buy a SIM card for your phone (pay as you go, so without a contract) you are obligated by Law to present your identification and it all gets recorded.

            Now, remember, Germany had not one but TWO secret polices, the last one (the Stasi, in East Germany only) having been not long ago and being well known for their wiretapping of phones.

            Meanwhile my own native Portugal also had a dictatorship about half a century ago, as did next door Spain, and in these countries (and I expect in other similar ones such as Greece and most of Eastern Europe, but I can’t say for sure) there would be a veritable outcry if any politician merely suggested mandatory registration on purchasing of a card for your phone or in fact any other such measure with even the mere whiff of being only useful for surveillance. Portugal even has quite strong banking secrecy laws compared to the rest of Europe and a Judicial System with lots of levels of checks and counter-checks (which, unfortunately, makes it quite slow) in reaction to the lack of Due Process of the Fascist dictatorship.

            The Portuguese were the ones who kicked out the Fascists, whilst in Germany foreigners were the ones who kicked out the Fascists (and the fall of Communism was the consequence of events far away from East Germany) so maybe that’s what dictates just how much and how deep the rejection of the ideas of the old dictatorship will go in a country which was once Authoritarian.

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              Meanwhile in America, people don’t bat an eye at handing over RealID for the most minor purchases (not to mention SIM cards), which is then scanned into a government-connected database, backdoored tech and Amazon Ring.

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      Bullshit

      This has likely more to domwith Germany still being “mea culpa” about the Nazis, desperately trying to show that they are not against Jews

      Maybe.

      Either way, calling this a Nazi action is just low

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        Only a Racist nation would equate victimhood with ethnicity.

        The lesson learned from the last Holocaust should’ve been “Never again shall we allow this to be done to anybody” not the very different and deeply racist “Never again shall Germans do this to Jews”.

        The way of thinking that sees people as members of a Race and treats them differently based on that did not leave Germany when the Nazis were stopped: all that was done was that the list of “deserving” and “not deserving” races was updated. This is why we keep seeing Germany follow the principle of “even the most horrible and inhuman behaviours are acceptable if those committing them are from the right race”, same as they did in the “old days”.

        Still today there’s a lot of Racism in Europe, but nobody else is going around justifying the mass murder of children, and forcefully stamping out on dissent against that mass murder, because the genociders are from a specific race (which, “curiously” is a White one) and the victims are from a different race (which, “curiously” is a Non-White one).

        Compared to what the rest of Europe is doing, this is a lot more like the kind of Racism that was the foundation of Nazism than mere run-of-the-mill Racism, and the easy and casual subversion of Democratic principles merelly to stamp out dissent against such extreme Racist official position is another of those ways of behaving common in the “good old days”.

        Even the very idea that Israel is the same as the Jewish Ethnicity betrays a Racism that sees all Jews as the same and alld represented by and supporting of Israel, profound so even because it denies the view of those Jews who openly oppose the actions of Israel and its actions under its Zionist leadership. Even towards the very people they claim to have a duty to support, the German Power elites cannot stop themselves from being profoundly Racist.

        I used to have a very different view of Germany before the Israeli Genocide really brought up just how much guided by Racial Membership the German view of the World is, how extreme such view is in what it will excuse and just how thin the veneer of Democracy trully is there.

        It’s not Nazism, but it shares the very same foundations of prejudice, authoritarian leanings and lack of limits to what are acceptable actions from the “right” races.

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    No surprises there - Germany is one of the most supportive countries of Israel, the amount of shit that they pull against pro-Palestine protesters is just sad to read about.

    I’m guessing they’re feeling guilty for the holocaust and as an apology, they’re letting the jews in Israel do one of their own.

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      A lot of Germans still remember the 1972 Summer Olympics massacre in Munich and the aftermath like the plane hijack to free the captured perpetrators and are therefore biased against Palestinians, suspecting a lot of violent people among them. It’s not a good environment to protest.

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        German here: if you take peaceful demonstration as an option away from people, they are left with two options: being resigned or non-peaceful demonstration. The German stance to hinder peaceful demonstration against the Israeli atrocities is stupid and labeling Greta Thunberg as primed for violence is beyond stupid. And the majority of Germans has no active memory of the 72 Olympics incident.

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      It’s sad, but also makes me really angry, that “pro Palestine” and “supporting Israel” are now seen as polar opposites.
      Also, the ongoing war is in no way connected to the 1940’s Holocaust, apart from the obvious “they’re both unspeakably horrible”.

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        The holocaust led to more jews going to the holy land which lead to the creation of the state of Israel, which since its inception has had expelling the Palestinians as its main goal. Palestinians rightfully so started resisting through different groups which has lead to Israel doubling down on its genocidal motives leading to today. They are connected just not as obviously as other events.

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        Israel cannot exist as a concept if you support Palestinians right to exist. They’re fundamentally incompatible.

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          … What? There are fully integrated Palestinians living in Israel right now, they could just integrate them or let them establish their own self rule in one form or another

          All it takes is to improve conditions and slowly increase rights for Palestinians until they’re full citizens. Probably start by making it illegal to mow them down in the streets. If you cut off the flow of new recruits, Hamas will wither. If conditions are rapidly improving, it’s hard to convince people to martyr themselves

          And Israel could do that… Just not with an unpopular administration that is using this conflict to stay in power

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            Netanyahu’s administration has support from the majority of the population, and has only lost some support due to not eliminating Gaza fast enough. There is no world where the fascist imperialist settler colony of Israel exists while free Palestinians exist. The people of Israel have made that clear, not the administration.

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      This is how it works these days. And in a convenient framing, antizionism has disappeared from the MSM vocabulary. It’s all antisemitism now.

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    The press release has since been updated and a correction issued:

    https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/4971/5882017

    The assembly leader of the Palestine protest camp informed the Dortmund police today that Ms. Greta Thunberg wanted to visit the assembly in Emil-Figge-Straße. Following an examination by Dortmund Police Headquarters, the latter issued an order banning the camp.

    The Dortmund police carried out a risk assessment for the assembly. The announced visit by Ms. Thunberg led to the conclusion that there would be more people at the venue than stated in the assembly registration. The time frame specified in the assembly confirmation would also have been exceeded. The recent events in connection with Thunberg were taken into account in the assessment. After intensive examination as part of a risk assessment, the Dortmund police headquarters ordered the ban and the associated dissolution of the assembly.

    The assembly leader announced on site that the assembly had ended and arranged for the camp to be dismantled.

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    I get where they’re coming from since you could consider her voice as a weapon. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, the kids are talking. They gotta unshit this goddamn world since everyone before either stopped trying or advocated to make things worse.