TLDR:
Windows 11 v24H2 and beyond will have Recall installed on every system. Attempting to remove Recall will now break some file explorer features such as tabs.
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What’s an alternative to explorer?
Unfortunately, just switch to Linux is not an option.
You can prevent recall from running and collecting data, you just can’t remove it entirely without breaking some features. I don’t think you can replace the file explorer, it’s your desktop n stuff as well as file exploring, but preventing recall from running might be your best bet. Or, alternatively, if you don’t use the features that you lose in file explorer by removing recall then you might be fine just removing recall and continuing on.
Wow this is doesn’t affect me at all thank fully
Who is fully?
Someone deserving of his thanks, clearly
THIS IS WHY I AM STILL ON WINDOWS 10 AND DUALBOOTING LINUX
screw Microsoft…i hope people will consider to switch to Linux
Yay am dualbooting linux with windows 10 but man I love the flexibility of linux.
Good thing I don’t use Tabs.
Good thing I don’t use explorer. (Free commander ftw!)
Windows Debloat Tool:
https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools
I run this on any new Win install. I also suggest Portmaster so you know where your data is going.
However, if you can, it is really worth switching to Linux. Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool. Windows is making a product. Enough said.
If people would like to “try Linux before you buy,” check out DistroSea. It spins up a virtual machine of whatever distro and flavour you choose to try.
There are a surprising and growing number of Linux compatible tools. Software is usually why people have a hard time switching. If you’re dependent on Photoshop/Adobe, check out:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve
Gamers should check put:
This site shows how well games run on Proton (compatibility tool) and people offer solutions to get them running if there’s any snags.
Linux is built as a tool by the people using the tool.
And that’s exactly how it feels to non-programmers or not-enthusiasts jus trying to exist.
And those devs (not all but more or less most) will troubleshoot and gear it towards how they see fit with less newbie testing.DaVinci Resolve is not a replacement for Photoshop/Adobe as a whole, but it is a decent replacement for Adobe products AfterEffects and Premier.
For Photoshop alternatives, I’d start with GIMP for photo editing or Krita for illustration and digital painting.
I’m still on Windows because my drawing app of choice is Clip Studio Paint, which has no Linux version. I’ve read and watched several guides to getting CSP running on Linux, but it still scares me off.
But this Recall thing is so insidious to me… I might try to get it working on Linux anyway.
I love Krita!! I put my specialty software into a virtual machine, aka the shame box. You can disable networking for it. 😈
For Photoshop alternatives, I’d start with GIMP for photo editing
I have always felt that GIMP was the ultimate software Camel. As in, designed by a committee to include everything and the kitchen sink without any coherent UI/UX.
It’s the software industry’s 1965 Lada masquerading as a 2024 model.
If it wasn’t for Paint.NET still missing vectorized/sprite-based text (it instantly rasterizes text the moment focus leaves it), I don’t think I could ever use GIMP.
You’re certainly not wrong about GIMP having horrible UI/UX. Big reason I don’t use it either.
As much as I would love this to kick MS in the backside, it won’t. The public at large has no idea what this is or why it’s bad and evil. They will buy a computer, it will come with Windows, and they’ll use it like they always have. Companies and Govts will gripe initially, but give in because their ancient VB enterprise apps only run on Windows.
Judging by the comments in this thread this will be the one defining mistake that kills Microsoft.
Nah, Lemmy is not really representative of the wider Windows userbase. The willingness to switch away from Windows is definitely going to be far higher in those who were willing to switch away from Reddit.
It will, however, add more users to the critical mass that has previously prevented Linux from being mainstream. Already we are seeing more and more software adoption. The average Facebook/word processor user can use Linux with no issues. And the average gamer can use Linux with minimal problems as well. Hell, the dominant PC gaming handheld runs Linux, not Windows. That itself is damning.
This was not the case 10 years ago, and it is clear what path is being forged.
So… how does this exist in corporate environments where PCI DSS is necessary? Is the government also going to have to deal with fallout from this?
I wonder if there will ever be a point where legislation dictates features from an os vendor… we lost control of our hardware when they started forcing updates. I’m sure someone will hack a DLL or something to allow explorer to run but kill this component… But should we really need to hack our systems to protect ourselves from spying?
Inb4 Linux - I ran Slackware in the early 90s, and my server still runs a deb based distro… but when I want to play Forza, I’m pretty limited with my choices, etc.
From my understanding, you can prevent Recall from running just fine, you only can’t remove it.
Microsoft: We’re going to arbitrarily require TPM and SecureBoot and say that makes Windows 11 more secure even though that’s a feature of your motherboard, not our operating system.
Also Microsoft: In Windows 11 the file explorer program depends on a program that periodically sends us screenshots of your screen.
So secure!
Security <> privacy. And this is where they slice the difference. Although, they’re not secure, either lol
Sending random screenshots somewhere is not secure at all lmao. That’s a hacker’s wet dream.
I’ve been wondering this too. Will there be a way for company policy admins to somehow remove this fully? I work in an industry that deals with very sensitive and private information - no way in hell this would ever even remotely be allowed or pass any audits. Even just existing but being disabled could be problematic.
But big companies aside, how will this impact small companies who have no real in house IT? The potential for it to be capturing and storing stuff like, as you say anything required by PCI compliance, could turn into a nightmare. We also know this will inevitably be hacked or used by spyware somehow, someday, too no matter how secure they say it may be. So now a bad actor can recall an entire day work and data capture from a worker?
For years… well pretty much since I had a PC, I had a Windows partition. Why? Well because I (sadly) paid for the damn thing (damn OEM deals). Plus, I admit, sometimes they were things that only ran on Windows.
For few years now though, everything, literally, from the latest tech gadget to playing games to VR, works on Linux.
Few weeks ago I deleted the Windows partition. I didn’t have to. I didn’t boot on it for months. It didn’t affect me.
Still, I now feel … safer, more relaxed, coherent.
When I see shit like that, I feel even better!
Yea about a year ago I switched entirely over to Linux. I am a system engineer so I have to deal with windows at work all the time but on my computer, I feel calm. Like I don’t have to worry about my operating system. Windows is getting in the way more than it’s helping 99% of the time now.
I have windows on another physical disk and I plan to delete my windows partition in 2025 and start a software raid 0 configuration, sadly linux is not yet ready.
The best windows debloater is delete system32 and install Linux,.
Even Windows exes work on Linux now. It took me some time and learning but I got Wine to work with some program from my walkie talkie’s manufacturer and it involves serial programming over USB.
Indeed but I very rarely, if ever need it except for some games. Usually there are FLOSS equivalent of most software. They are sometimes worst but often just as good and, obviously, they can be modified. So Wine and Proton are amazing but hopefully needed less and less.
The freaking out over an optional feature that you need specific hardware for anyway is unreal.
If Fedora had announced this as a feature you’d have wanked yourselves into a coma.
I’ve seen Linux users scream over basic transparently implemented opt-in telemetry. Something like this would absolutely not go over well were it implemented in a popular distro.
Recall doesn’t send your data anywhere though. It’s all local.
Telemetry is actually worse than this.
Trust us bro. We won’t send it anywhere. 🤞
Eh? What’s this bold assumption that people would like this “feature” if fedora introduced it?
If it’s an explorer.exe dependency, it’s not an optional feature.
So, iirc, recall was a copilot+ PC “feature”. Will this recall integration be the case on “normal” x86 PCs as well?
I moved all my personal stuff over to Windows about a year and a half ago. Unfortunately, there’s still a few things in my life that requires windows…
Ahahaha, holly fucking shit.
They literally added some OS in their spyware.
I hope every SWE looks at this and remembers how not to conduct oneself.
Just use explorer patcher on win,10 22h2, fixed
