Other points:
- it’s not mutually exclusive with any other neurodivergence, in which case they’re “twice exceptional”;
- In an environment with unprepared people and professionals, they may be wrongly diagnosed as having some other neurodivergence.
- It’s not just a high IQ score;
- Gifted kids can be problem students and have low grades;
- Homework feels like torture (this is true to any child, tho);
- They’re very likely to question authorities and point out perceived hypocrisy (emphasis here on perceived, because pointing something and being right are different things);
- As kids, they may have weird quirks for executing tasks, such as wanting to hold pencils the “wrong” way, or wanting to press against a wall to do homework;
If you’re Brazilian or can understand Brazilian Portuguese, this is the podcast I listened to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apnuIIePeeA
Aos brasileiros que acabarem encontrando esse post, o podcast que assisti é o que linkei acima
In my gifted class with three other students we were all diagnosed with ADHD later, just saying.
If it was 20, maybe even 10 years later, I might have been diagnosed with ADHD as a child. But I wasn’t disruptive and I scored extremely well on tests. In the 80s, that overruled pretty much everything else. And when I had trouble later, it was because I was “lazy.” This is why I dislike the narrative that “gifted means everything came easily until it didn’t and then they failed because they didn’t face hardship.” I didn’t have trouble because I wasn’t challenged. I had trouble because I had undiagnosed ADHD and autism, but got slapped with the lazy label early and often. Nothing I did was ever enough, and I was told my whole life that I just wasn’t trying hard enough. All because I learned to read before kindergarten and scored in the 99th percentile on standardized testing.
Meanwhile, the 5-6 people from my elementary gifted classes that graduated with me all kept excelling through school and into their careers. Which also contradicts the easy narrative that sprang up around “gifted.” Not sure how many of them had concurrent neurodivergencies… but I was the weird one even among the weird kids lol.
“Gifted” is a bullshit word that says more about the state of the Napoleonic educational industry than it does about the poor kid it’s leveled at.
Fuck “gifted”.
There is no God.
Every bit of knowledge & skill that the phrase steals credit for? That kid in question has busted their ass to attain. But, with a couple syllables, it’s all surreptitiously offered at the feet of an ancient comic book character whose modern flock justify war, genocide, rape, genital mutilation, and myriad other human rights atrocities in its “name”. Nah.
Fuck “gifted”, and fuck your god.
Laughable that you’d call everyone confidently ignorant while you get downvoted into oblivion. Try some humility. Maybe this rant was misplaced, and you’re wrong for going off with it. There was no religious connotation implied with the original post. You misread. Get over it.
Yes, yes, again your lack of understanding is shite proof, but go on with your fantasy meritocracy, kiddo. So gifted. Aww.
Do you know the phrase “dead metaphor”?
I’m a gifted atheist. It has nothing to do with god. It means I didn’t have to work for it - I was born with the genetics for it. Some people are gifted aesthetically. Others with intelligence. Others athletically. Some are gifted musically. Genetics is real. If you are given something at birth, it’s a gift. A gift from your ancestors and parents.
I don’t like the choice of words either, mostly because of all the expectations associated with it, but the rest of your rant just goes off rails
The “rest of my rant” is lived experience and factually relevant, friend. You can either recognize that reality or keep lying to yourself (and subsequently perpetuate that shit with inaction). You choose.
“Gifted” is not “talented”, “skilled”, etc. It inherently implies a “gift” by some pre-birth entity, and largely assumed to be whatever god is acceptable in the location of the phrase’s utterance. Don’t play dumb. It’s beneath you.
My dude, at no point I explicitly or implicitly tried to equate being skilled with being gifted or talented, nor that being gifted has anything to do with religion or god. I didn’t choose the term that the english language uses for this.
I won’t bother with you anymore because it’s clear you don’t want to talk in good faith, at least not here
Careful now, “good faith” is religiously charged and implies that God is the source of all good intent, you’re gonna set this person off with that.
(/s hopefully obviously)
Ha. Touché. The devil’s in the details, eh? 🤣🤘🏽
I’m hardcore atheist and have never thought of Gifted as having any religious connotation. A genetic gift doesn’t imply a creator. Gift means you received something with the connotation that it was unearned.
It just means a person who is born with more innate talent than the average. Which some people are. Your rant indeed goes off the rails. It ain’t that deep chief.
Right, i think that’s a pretty common observation. Starting at school. Kids who are considered more intelligent don’t necessarily do well in school. On contrary, some really struggle. At least that’s what I observed when I was 12 and had some gifted classmates.
Look, I don’t want to nitpick much, or make you feel like I’m bashing you, that’s not my intent.
The post, however, is pretty far off of reality. “Gifted” is not the same kind of thing as other neurodivergence. It simply doesn’t have a well defined criteria. The only criteria that’s used in a majority of places that use the term is IQ or other testing scores.
Should it have the same kind of diagnostic criteria as other aspects of neurofunction? Maybe. Maybe not. There’s just not enough information on it all to tell if it really is a form of neurodivergence, or just part of neurotypical function with higher “intelligence”. I don’t speak Portuguese, so I can’t tell if that video is accurate in its information or not, but I can tell that “Gifted” as a term is not what you’ve presented in your post, not as of five years ago when my kid got placed into gifted classes and I went back looking into it and comparing it to what it was when I was a kid.
If there’s newer definitions and criteria, it would be nice if you put them into post instead of relying on a YouTube video at all, but that’s whatever.
I’m not saying I disagree. Every “Gifted” or “accelerated” kid I ever knew behaved differently than most people. It may well be a form of neurodivergence that isn’t just intelligence (which is a difficult thing to quantify properly in itself).
I’m just saying that the post here doesn’t really provide anything useful to someone coming across it. There’s no meat here.
but I can tell that “Gifted” as a term is not what you’ve presented in your post, not as of five years ago when my kid got placed into gifted classes and I went back looking into it and comparing it to what it was when I was a kid.
I blame the english language, then. The Venn diagram MelodiousFunk posted should hopefully help visualize what I meant somewhat
I’m just saying that the post here doesn’t really provide anything useful to someone coming across it. There’s no meat here.
Hard to distill almost 3 hours of talk into a lemmy post, but a valid point
Yeah, the diagram does a good job. And, English is a bitch lol. It’s hard enough as a native language to navigate all the weird rules and usages.
Imo, it’s the human condition. Everyone is good at some things, average at most, bad at others.
Occasionally it happens that sone kids are great at academic achievement and they get labeled as “gifed” because that’s what’s superficially celebrated in our culture. I say superficially because after school it doesn’t matter much
Honestly don’t know about the specifics to verify or checked the sources but on first blush it feels pretty correct.
My mental situation is such that I have a very strong memory recall and approach learning pretty voraciously. Around topics I enjoy I build a sort of mental map to compare and recall things creating a sort of landscape of understanding over a wide range of topics. I pick up a lot of fabrication based tasks quickly in part because I’ve realized that my imagination renders things in full three dimensions allowing me to imagine builds in stages and troubleshoot at the concept stage… which as I have come to understand it isn’t ubiquitous for most people and is tied into the form of dyslexia I have.
All in all though it’s a pretty isolating experience being this way. I chose a career that is non academic and a lot of people at some point or another imply that it’s a “waste” of my mind. Some people react to me as a threat, as though I am judging them or showing off or lying about my interests or must be exaggerating the things I demonstrate some small mastery over. Listening to those who have known me over a long period of time describe me to other people is often sobering. While it’s often flattering the impression is that I am sort of a sort of wonderous jack of all trades eccentric who operates on a different scale of time than other people.
To experience it from my perspective though, I have a sense generally of the line where most people are likely to absorb or remember things and know from people’s reactions exactly how much of a weirdo I come across as when I step past that boundry. Neurodivergance is a neutral term, it just boils down to “a different brain”. The more different one is generally the harder it is for other people to intuit your needs. My experience with teachers in school is that I could understand as a child that the system of reporting progress required me to do things that I found intolerable so that essentially the system could report metrics back to measure things in a systemic way. But that system wasn’t serving me what would have been personally tolerable by actually challenging me and also didn’t particularly care about me as a person. I figured out that most of that scorecard was meaningless while I was beholden to the system. A number of teachers realized I was imbibing the lessons I just wasn’t playing the game and their reactions to that were often pretty sympathetic.
