• cally [he/they]@pawb.social
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    You don’t need to be cisgender, heterosexual, male or white to call people out on their bigoted beliefs.

    Edit: if you are in those categories you’re more likely to be taken more seriously by other cishet white men. I think I understand the point of the original post now.

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    These comments, yeesh. I am a cis white dude, and I don’t see how this post is offensive. As I’ve gotten older and more self-confident, I absolutely call people out for their garbage opinions/statements. Being a cis/straight/white dude it happens all the time that somebody says something racist/sexist/homophobic in front of me assuming I’ll be sympathetic. I’ve used all these “scripts” and encourage you all to use them also.

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    2 months ago

    I told a coworker they were “full of shit” then repeated that when they said “what?”

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    Pfff. Everytime my father in law goes on a racist diatribe I tell him, “Mustafa is what now?”. He is my Egyptian brother in law and the kindest and hospitable person I know.

    I also very dislike my father in law, used to be a somewhat good guy, then he got old and racist.

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    Just yesterday at work I heard some coworker telling some nightmarish stuff (for the other person of his story) and laughing as if it was fun. Problem is, all other dudes were laughing with him.

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    I’m going to use all of these except the “I won’t let you” because that could trigger the right wing persecution complex, and/or sound like fighting words.

    I want them to think normal people (not me tbh) are put off by their weird shit.

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      it also reminds me of the whiteknighting “alpha” cliche; “i will protect u, my princess”. maybe thats just me.

  • theneverfox@pawb.social
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    Nah, there’s nothing louder than silence.

    Wipe all expression from your face, and stare at them. Maybe just an expression of incredulity if this is out of character for them. That’s all it takes.

    Bystanders will literally stop what they’re doing and watch. Their brains will scream “I’m about to be excluded from the group”, and they’ll start babbling. They’ll confess their sins and be harsher on themselves than anything you could say

    If you don’t like their next words, give them nothing. Literally don’t respond, anything you give them is closure. Don’t give them closure, move on with your life - they can’t.

    Don’t give them judgement, give them nothing. If you judge them, they can turn themselves into a victim or you into an enemy… Without a response, the only enemy is themselves, because they will crave your approval.

    It’s like a teacher staring down a student who keeps talking until the whole class is looking at them, except they don’t know what to do to make it stop. So they try anything and wrack their brain for a solution. It seriously freaks people out

    Note: this is less likely to work against neurodivergent people, they’ll just be confused. That’s how I learned to do this - I got annoyed and straight up asked a therapist why they kept staring at me when I was done talking. They explained the concept of a pregnant pause, and so I started using it.

    And acquaintances started telling me how they were abused to explain their behavior and strangers started confessing how they cheated on their partners out of nowhere.

    I get a lot of long apology emails the day after someone wrongs me, I now make an effort to give closure to everyone I like early and often.

    Humans are tortured by this

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    There’s one thing I really don’t understand. And this question has no agenda except that I would like to. Also if I use the word “he” inappropriately, please for the sake of the question let that slide…

    Say a woman transitions to a man. He’s a man now, right? So why is it necessary that he be called trans and someone who was born a man be called cis? I mean if the goal is equality, and it should be, why should we know or care which is the case? And the same question goes for cis/trans women.

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      Using the cis/trans labels are good when the experiences are different in some important way or it’s worth pointing out for some reason. Often it’s just better to refer to both cis and trans men as just “men” and cis and trans women as just “women”. It depends on the context. These online forums tend to be rather political or tied to identity in a way that a lot of more real life conversations won’t be. The cis and trans labels can probably be left off more often in real life than you see them used here.

    • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      It’s just useful terminology. It comes up when it comes up.

      I don’t spend much time calling my girl friends trans-her, if that’s what you’re asking.

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      Well I would assume trans-men are smarted and don’t really need another guy to tell them. But then trans people like Caitlyn Jenner exist and she is dumb as shit. She has got to be the single most hated trans person ever.

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    ITT: a lot of people reading this to be specifically and only for cis white men, but they’re talking about the power any in-group member has to shut down bigoted shit and that’s what we should be focusing on. In a space where the biggest in-group is black women this post would be about them, but the most common “in-group” (disproportionately so) is white cis men so that’s who they mention. If this is making you feel attacked or targeted then please set aside that part of it and don’t discard the actual message, because this is honestly something everyone should think about.

    Anytime you’re accepted somewhere, whether in public or among strangers, you have a lot of social power when it comes to setting the tone of conversation - one loud idiot can make a space feel extremely hostile to an outsider, and if everybody gives a polite laugh instead of speaking up that idiot learns saying things like that is okay and the “outsider” learns they’re not truly welcome. Literally one person who speaks up instead of letting it fly can solve this - the message is to be that person, not to attack anyone in particular.

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      Look at you, with the hemispheres of your brain actually somewhat separate from one another.

      It’s really refreshing to have someone actually get the meaning behind this meme instead of say ‘not all men’ or the equivalent.

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        I want to know why you, and so many others apparently, cannot grasp the idea of pointing out why one aspect of something is problematic without, by default, being an implication that the entire thing is wrong or that they hate all of it etc etc.

        I’m not even offended by it, but I get why someone would be, but that doesn’t take away from the point of the post either. It’s really fucking weird and feels intellectually dishonest.