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Removed Comment Did nothing wrong by sunzu2 reason: Rule against wrongful advocacy
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Banned sunzu2 from the community Ask Lemmy reason: Will not tolerate blind alignment with Luigi Mangione expires: in 3 days
Alright good folk, what’s your take here.
.world mods are still frantically pissing into the wind, I see.
I lost all faith in .world after they banned piracy communities; unbanned them after user unrest; and when the hype died down, silently rebanned them all.
This statement kind of confirms that the hate towards things like the mod mentioned by the OP is hated based on populism, not common sense.
The mod has no problem telling people go kill themselves BTW
He just can’t stand people supporting luigi for some odd reason… Which I guess you call common sense?
First of all, she identifies as “she”, because that’s what she is, a cis asexual woman. Surely you knew signing up that Lemmy doesn’t take kindly to transphobia, not even the people in this community.
Second, what she said was apologized for and forgiven years ago. In your inclination towards forming a grudge, what you’re implying right now is people cannot change. I see you tried to spin the same claim on the post itself in order to gang up on her. If guilt for a past interaction never expires, we’d be here all day pointing fingers left and right at people because most people who were born before the year 2000 will have memories of not understanding the transgender issue.
Maybe @shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee was right to ban you.
I only ban those who break rules or TOS. Petty angst is neither of those.
Their behaviour is becoming problematic as they appear to be modding to miriror reddit.
So we left reddit to be still modded by them?
Granted due to beauty of fedi, we can still have these discussions here but they are still winning.
Luigi talk suppression is brazen, reddit gets cleaned out from it with the most mild takes being left.
At the end of the day, a normal person won’t have access to these ideas because algos and mods won’t let them. You don’t know life is simulation until you try to step out of it.
Start a new Ask Lemmy on a different instance and announce it. I’ll subscribe.
My account is too unhinged for modding job lol
A mod has to maintain appearance of propriety and I aint here to moderate my speech.
I do think though we will need to subs on various servers to mirrior these high traffic communities as rejects can be captured after being banned on high traffic subs. There is demand for free discussion (within reason) clearly.
This sub is an indicator of that.
Similar to why I stated that I’m unfit to run for a local public office. I’ve been too open about my views and too aloof with my choices and it could be used against me. But I get you.
Calling for someone with a more refined comment history to start a new Ask Lemmy, assuming someone is willing. We shouldn’t let .world push people around.
Even the !asklemmy@lemmy.world mods have alts on other instances and aren’t that positive against LW.
Edit: hm, reading this thread they seem to be powertripping somehow, that’s sad
For casual questions, there is !casualconversation@lemm.ee, but for more serious topics, I don’t know.
World seems to be presenting itself as Reddit 2.0, and has been for a very long time. It’s also where a lot of the default subreddits came, which meant the same mod team and probably a few power users.
Which is not inherently bad, but I’d like the Reddit culture to stay on Reddit as much as possible.
They’ve effectively silenced me. I can’t keep track of where I can say pro-Luigi things.
checks modlog wow you sure do talk about assassination a lot. no judgement, just… impressed i guess
We tried the nonviolent stuff…
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Colombian neckties for the rich!
Block the communities that remove your pro-Luigi comments. No need to keep track of them; their mods are garbage, and you don’t want to be associated with them.
Amen
I had similar issues with my pro-Palestinian views, and dislike towards USA centered liberalism; so I just left and blocked many of their default communities
Honest work don’t pay, but bigger point is the suppression for the specific topic.
This is happening on the decentralized media too
Just keep going on about it, and see how many bans you can pick up.
Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong.
You god damn right!
The funny thing about this is, when the .world mods were being insanely prohibitive of any speech involving Luigi, and censoring discussion if the event when it happened, the excuse they used was since the server is in a European country, it’s illegal to foster speech that “promotes violence.”
I changed my server then, as did many others, after witnessing the censorship, but it’s fun to see now the mask-off answer of just not liking Luigi.
PTB. Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong
Alright good folk, what’s your take here.
PTB
Ugh, this kind of “moderation” is almost making me want to take my instance and set up communities that are structured with different rules and guidelines that would mostly allow it, because frankly, fuck censorship of anything that’s not hate or illegal speech.
Then I realize that’d be a job I’m not being paid for and I don’t.
Sigh.
They’re probably competitive StarCraft players. Moderation as actions per minute and so on
because frankly, fuck censorship of anything that’s not hate or illegal speech
Amen, brother!
PTB. other considerations aside, like 2/3rds of the internet has a politics crush on Luigi. at some point mods gotta just accept that Luigi jokes are gonna be everywhere, like 9/11 jokes. and honestly overall, censorship of jokes makes them more funny and therefore more long lasting. barbara streisand type beat.
PTB
My take is I’m glad you already aren’t on their instance because they gotta go :)
People really need to lean into DEcentralization and make accounts on smaller servers IMHO
Smaller admins don’t bother modding unless you are a proper threat actor or doing illegal shot.
High traffic subs have a lot of censorship sadly.
And this censorship is literally text book from corporate social media. Bootlickers are the biggest enemies of working class because then daddy owner ain’t even getting his hands dirty lol
Broadly, .world is fairly obviously mirroring the sycophantic policies of X/Meta/Reddit.
The only real question I have is whether it’s primarily rooted in ambition or fear - whether the admin are actively trying to be admitted to the ranks of Trump-approved™ social media, or if they’re just afraid that if they don’t kowtow, they’re going to get TikToked.
That’s because they are wanting to federate with Meta
Ah… yes.
It became obvious to me that something was up with the announcement a while back that said, once you sifted through all the diversionary puffery and bullshit, that .world was going to follow Vichy Twitter’s and Meta’s lead and allow hate speech and misinformation.
But I assumed they were doing that for the same reason Meta is - to suck up to Big Baby Fascist. I hadn’t considered that they were doing it to suck up to Meta.
Now it all makes sense.
Yeah I can’t tell if some mods on . world are natural bootlickers and actually LARP this shit for free OR they straight up threat actors
Fucking hosers.
You’re right, they’re PTB.
Fucking hosers.
There’s a word I haven’t heard in a long time!
Coo, loo, coo, coo, coo, coo, coo, coo!
I think that might be libel. I doubt that there is anything “blind” about your alignment with Luigi Mangione.
I just got banned for this as well. lol I only got banned after calling out their mods bad source too.
No, you got banned for the same reason everyone else did, and provenly so as can be seen.
That’s what they said: they got banned for the same reason after calling the bad mods out
Learn to read
Confirming you are advocating for violent action after baiting people to defend it =/= calling the bad mods out
There is a difference between these two things, something I know from not being one of the people who have trouble reading.
Confirming you are advocating for violent action
You keep saying this but that’s not what happened
You want it to be this so you can justify arbitrary modding decisions because mods disagree with public sentiment on Luigi and Israel so they censor it
Lemmy world is where luigi is committing a genocide and Israel did nothing wrong
The proofs and even what some of your arguments imply say otherwise. It’s redundant to clarify since I’m not from the World instance, but it would be putting words in my mouth to say “luigi is committing a genocide and Israel did nothing wrong”, as I simply condemn him for a murder he had almost every reason not to resort to especially considering his motives (and I condemn both sides of the Israel war going on right now). If one person stands by what Luigi did, it is wrong; if a hundred people do, it’s still wrong; if a million people do, it’s still wrong.
I agree with you!! He’s a murderer, regardless of who he killed, he’s a murderer. He deserves to spend rest of his life in prison.
That’s your opinion… Thank you for sharing.
If sensibility is an opinion to you, that explains a few things. Of note, the discussion where much of this took place in the first place was one about Elon Musk supposedly giving the Nazi salute and how it’s alarming to consider it protected under free speech. Saying it’s bad to say “death to all [insert random minority here]” isn’t an opinion, is it? Practically speaking, this is what you both (and the Luigi fandom as a whole) are doing in all but name.
The target mod of the ptb accusation has provided their reasoning here: https://lemm.ee/comment/17765107
Dailymotion, interesting choice
Explained by the fact most places won’t even accept dialogues about the topic of Luigi anymore, it has become that inciteful. Even those who want to smear/campaign won’t touch the topic.
Needs clarification.
Maybe they just don’t want people to promote murder as a form of political action, although the log is not clear.
That would be a pretty common position, probably aligned with the rules of most communities on Lemmy and can be completely unrelated to protecting corporations, the system or whatever other people are jumping to.Health care executives sentence millions to death because saving their lives isn’t profitable. If you kill someone attempting to take your life, that’s self-defence.
I am on board with promoting self-defence as a form of political action.
In my country, physical self-defense is relevant to the moment of the aggression and is required to be proportional (which is complicated, I concede). If you later go look for the aggressor to exercise your right to “self-defense”, that’s vengeance and personal justice, not self-defense anymore. This is usually forbidden in democratic countries because it could have a lot of negative effects of society.
Overall, unless the laws and logic are very different in the USA, I don’t think this could be considered self-defense. This is also not going to stop the abuse by insurance companies since thousands of people can replace this guy, so it’s more about sending a message, isn’t it. What do we usually call the method of killing people to send a political message?What do we usually call the method of killing people to send a political message?
“we” is carrying a lot of weight because one man’s ‘terrorist’ is another man’s ‘freedom fighter’
You’re right, I should have said “some people” instead.
How is my opinion on his actions "promoting murderx?
Has has not even been convicted of anything and you are going off what teevee told you for this analysis.
Same response as the one you already received by someone else for the same question, so I didn’t add to it. https://jlai.lu/post/14533062/12060318
When Nazi’s come, don’t ever fight back because you would cause violence, mmmkhay
Sure buddy 🤡
The fact that the idea of defending yourself is being censored and bootlickers cheer this on is prolly the reason why owner class feels this brazen to systemcally kill peasants for profit.
“Moment of aggression” is an interesting point, especially when the aggression is drawn out over a period of months. If someone puts an explosive collar on your neck, then every moment until the collar is disarmed should count as a moment of aggression.
I will accept that the attack was not proportional, but not in the way you think. The initial aggression took thousands of lives, drawn out over an agonising amount of time. Luigi took one, and it was quick.
The message was supposed to change how healthcare is dealt with, and to save lives as an extension. The hope is that one of the thousand will accept the message and change their behaviour to protect themself. It’s the same as the hope that a punch will make your attacker stop punching you. That punch is self-defence, even if it doesn’t work.
Final note? The fact that “stop letting innocents die for profit” is political says a LOT.
The point of the “moment of aggression” is that there is no way any democratically legitimated power can protect you immediately in the moment of a physical aggression. Unlike an unfair insurance system where you should be able to get legal protection and sue to claim your rights. If the system doesn’t protect one’s rights enough, then one should work on improving it through getting involved in the democratic process. Are they voting? Are they demonstrating? Have they done everything they could to support the politicians that defend their values, or risked themselves to carry the burden of becoming one? Killing people is just going to illegitimate your opinion, and also probably negatively impact the other people who share it too.
Any intervention on society, with a goal to impact it, is political, I don’t know what surprises you there.
You implied I “promoted murder” which requires you to go through all these wall of text.
I merely expressed support for a public figure.
I don’t see people get bent out of shpe over people supporting other “murders”
We don’t even know yet if Luigi even did it…
The entire censorship is is done based on implied intent that mods had to make up to censor speech.
You can your unpopular opinion without being censored, why can’t I have my for once popular opinion without being censored?
Funny how this system still operates on decentralized social media?
That’s a less popular but more rational take on this matter than just calling them boot lickers and sycophants.
I understand other people’s takes, but to me that’s just jumping to conclusions.
Did you read my comment as promoting murder?
What does this even mean?
Also, but even if we accept your theory as true, ain’t there is a lot of selective enforcement with respect to “murder promotion”
Why does Brian Thompson get this special treatment on fedi of all places?
The chain of conversation was:
- Original post: “How do you seriously fight fascism and don’t say just vote?”
- Top-level comment by Chivera, removed: “Luigi”
- Your reply: “Did nothing wrong”
There is absolutely no reasonable way to interpret that other than “Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong when he killed Brian Thompson, and that’s how you seriously fight fascism”. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I am saying own your words rather than doing this bullshit dance around them
Thank you for answering him on my behalf. This expresses exactly what I thought.
Luigi Mangione did nothing wrong when he killed Brian Thompson, and that’s how you seriously fight fascism
How is this “to promote murder”?
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Seems like another mod took things a step further than I did. I don’t blame them, although I simply locked the discussion.
you literally permabanned me because I said luigi then mentioned you have a bad source, lol. Can you power trip less?
…as opposed to you outright making it explicit your aim was violence?
It would be one thing if people complained about moderation but were fully transparent about all the things that went on from their end.
That was a bait though and he never explicitly called for violence.
Why are mods so inclined to waste their time doing this?
Hmmm
Even though he says so in the screenshot that’s right there?
And why do you call it bait like that’s a plus?
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