And somehow every single time the problem was so easy to solve, but apparently crying about it is the better solution.

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    As always the best way to get a response on the internet is not to ask a question.

    The best way is to post a wrong answer.

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    Truth is, windows has plenty of such small annoyances just as well, it’s just that everyone is used to the windows way of doing it, so it’s not even worth joking about it.

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      When I first started using Linux I was impressed with how easily everything seemed to work. Then over time I started to get annoyed with all the things that I had no idea how to fix without looking up, and thought about going back to Windows.
      Then I used windows again and was immediately reminded of all the stupid bullshit I had to constantly fight with and forgot about because that was just the norm when windows is the only OS you ever use.

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        The times I think about switching back, I just think back to the first month on Linux full time when I realized I was no longer constantly pissed off at everything my system was doing I didn’t want it to do or not doing that I did want. And a lot of it wasn’t even conscious anymore, like just realizing that a constant background radiation was just … Not there anymore.

        Of course, having to use it at work every day still helps remind me… But I’m working on at least making my workstation into a Linux box, even if the servers are still going to be Windows.

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      People just don’t want to have fewer annoyances that are solved differently and most often more easily. Change bad.

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      I guess if I had to throw some shade at M$, I really hate how garbage the registry has become. Back in the day it was great for very specific solutions and some personalization, but now I have to crawl through hundreds of drop downs on a fresh install just to fix simple things on Microsoft’s own software.

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    Debianees will only answer your inquiry, however, if it is worded in a proper polite way. Here is a proper, polite way to ask for tech support.

    OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN’T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______!

    Rushing to defend their precious Linux, they will give the most descriptive, polite, useful information possible. If you use “normal” manners though, you will most likely get flamed, insulted, and receive at least 10 viruses by email. All of which will be written in “1337”, for no appearent reason. Your IP will be traced, and eventually your Linux OS will be hijacked and destroyed. In some cases your CPU might melt from having to handle so much hacking by insecure “Debianees”.

    https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Debian

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    Step (5): realise the lion’s share of people have no clue how anything works, and throwing a tantrum is their only (successful) technique to any technical problem.

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    I just watched that Linus tech tips video where the guy uninstalls critical system components by accident while trying to install steam.

    First the GUI for the package manager refuses to do it, then apt gives him a warning that he’s going to break his system. It even makes him type “Yes, do what I say!” but he’s too much of a clown to read the warning messages all over his screen. He even smirks at the camera about how silly it is that he would need to type such a thing before he proceeds to mess everything up.

    People were trying to defend him, saying that the system shouldn’t have allowed him to do it or that the warnings should have been flashing and shooting rainbows out of the monitor or that a robot arm should have come out and started honking his clown nose to let him know he was doing something stupid.

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      In fairness, when you’re used to windows those kinds of warnings basically mean nothing to you.

      It’s like when you hit snooze on an alarm so many times that you just sleep through your alarm and it becomes background noise.

      Also, it’s defiantly a glaring issue if installing steam means uninstalling your whole DE.

      Still, as a tech YTer who was exploring something out of his elements he should have looked into every error, warning, and message.

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        Also, it’s defiantly a glaring issue if installing steam means uninstalling your whole DE.

        Can you explain to me how the fuck that even happened?

        And 2. Could it have been prevented by him actually following the installation guide and rehashing the bloody image?

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      Linus and Linux is a rare view behind the curtain

      There have been some accusations about him being a sociopath by Louis Rossmann and others, so it might just be that CIA money flowing into his pocket thats preventing him from rational thought

      Also, isn’t he a fucking IT guy? How did he even manage to build that many PCs and make all those videos about tech topics when he can’t even read a red coloured warning and having to type in a very suspicious message?

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        I haven’t watched much of Linus’s stuff, but his behavior in the three Linux challenge videos reminded me of the way Conan O’Brien would act with his staff. It struck me as an off-putting blend of arrogance, entitlement, and impatient senility.

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          Yes, exactly

          Like, take his 10 year old Video of sticking in aß many Keyboards as possible

          He somehow knew all the standards, could troubleshoot it all and still just seemed very competent

          With the Linux video, I think he’s like trying to behave like a new user? (Like please tell me who the fuck would be a new user and not go to the forum once there’s a problem, but instead use this terminal and ignore all warnings?)

          But even then, like, he knows his channel is not directed towards very tech incompetent people he is trying to emulate. But instead of just doing it like he himself would use Linux, he still put up this costume of ignorance and pretended like this is hard to do. But if you even had the slightest experience with the terminal, even cmd, you will instantly see for how dumb he is taking you by „Trying to emulate his viewership”. And even if you don’t want to make a positive video about Linux, just talk about how office dosent work on it, or how kernel level anti cheat is bad

          But instead he is still making videos about trying some very special shit no one would ever do (like install arch as a beginner, install SteamOS even tho there’s Chimera and Bazzite, etc) failing at this very special thing, and then talking about it like this is the Linux experience.

          Like, for real, I will bet my nudes that this decade he will try to install Gentoo, say that its the Linux experience, fail badly, and say that Linux is bad.

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      To be fair that was a broken package in pop_os. It wasn’t entirely his fault. If his view was to operate as a normal user , having the os uninstalling your desktop environment when you try to install steam is a valid concern.

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        This. I went to check the video and there’s no way any user would expect installing steam to uninstall system packages. And yes, even though there’s errors on the screen, the average user just clicks ok so that’s the most average user experience. I do think it is strange he went to terminal to try to install when the UI failed, but as an old power user I might’ve tried the same. All in all, very unlucky for him to run into that problem, but also any normal user who immediately couldn’t install steam would just be so put off by Linux not working immediately they’d probably go back to Windows. I was also genuinely surprised the video is only 3 years old

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    In the late 1990s/early 2000s, there was some satire article about how to get most effective Linux support. Just write an angry news/blog article about how Linux sucks because it doesn’t (insert the thing you’re having problems with here). You bet someone will immediately respond how you’re an idiot and you should (insert detailed explanation of how to fix the thing here).

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    Windows and Mac have taught people to ignore safety error messages. We’re gonna be dealing with the fallout of that for generations.

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    Fine, I’ll give this strategy a shot too: Linux is crap because when I switch USB audio interface with a switcher the audio becomes extremely borked likely because of buffer settings somehow changing, to me it feels like the buffer is too small and then all these audio crackling issues start propping up.

    Windows doesn’t have this issue whatsoever, it’s only when I switch back to Linux in the switcher that the audio is borked.

    Pipewire/Pipewire-pulse

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      I have a Bluetooth dongle headset-mic. Probably for the same buffer reason, it constantly breaks audio when I have multiple audios in/outs running.

      The only consistent fix is switching to another audio driver and playing a video on YouTube while I switch it back.

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        YouTube specifically? Or does it work as long as any audio is running? I usually leave games on and switch back in and the audio’s borked.

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    I gave up on switching to linux after losing 2 entire evenings setting it up (linux mint) just for my games not to run and not a single solution I could find working.

    I’ll give it another try once I buy my new PC and set that up, but Linux is not as plug and play as windows and I totally understand that non-IT people want to stay away from it now. The community makes it sound as if everything is almost out of the box simple but that is not the case at all.

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      Then probably your Pc was too new

      Id always recommend using Opensuse anyway

      And how did your Games not run? Did you even try to look them up on Protondb?

      edit: Oh, I get it. Anyways, how much is Microsoft/the CIA paying you for this?

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        This pc is from about 2022/2023

        The games were gold or platinum on protonDB and run fine on my steam deck

        Steam / Lutris said they’re running, nothing shows up.

        Your edit is another reason I actually rather stay away from Linux instead of giving it a chance / asking for help. The community feels way too elitist and insulting to anyone not praising it.

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          There are clowns in every community and they are typically the loudest ones. Sorry Linux didn’t work out for you this time around. Hardware variables are hard to account for which if I had to bet, hardware weirdness is likely to be the root of your issue.

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            Sadly people like this have been there at every corner when I talk about my issues/reasons for not switching (yet). I still want to, but also think this turns off a lot of people.

            That was also my guess certainly with an nvidia GPU. My next pc will be AMD based partially because I really want to make the step to Linux

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        this right here is the bullshit that keeps people out, brother

        Same things goes for leftist thinking (I see you’re a .ml enjoyer)

        Stop trying to browbeat people into your ideology, calling them stupid provokes an irrational negative emotional response, even if your ideas are objectively more logical, as they’ll just reject it

        This is why capitalism is so effective with their “come to the dark side, we have cookies!”

        Just because it’s free doesn’t mean you don’t need to sell it

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    Then ask why no one has patched this well-known bug after all these years, and get flooded with ‘anyone can contribute’ comments.

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      But its true

      No one is paying these people to contribute to Linux. If someone would bring you donuts every day for free, you wouldn’t start barrading them with comments about how he comes late sometimes.

      And if you want that bug to be fixed, pay a software engineer to fix it, out of your own pocket. If they then dont do it, then you can start talking about them being late.

      Be grateful for all these people making your computer more than a brick.

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        Sure, but ‘make your own doughnuts’ isn’t exactly a useful response to that.

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          Could you tell me where I said you should just contribute yourself? My grep dosent seem to find it.

          I said ‘don’t complain about things people are making in their free time for you to enjoy.’