I am somewhat amazed how much influence Israel seems to have over the United States. Even colleges and universities behaving as though they may as well be established in some autocratic, authoritarian state. It’s like a signal was sent out all over the US. The same nation that brought the world NSO has people doxxing students for supporting Palestinians. How easy it’s become to dehumanize people, women and children, babies even because the religious fervor truly has the right wing zealots believing they are “the chosen people”. The dehumanization of Palestinian people is quite disgusting.
Another reminder that religion and politics should never be allowed to mix anywhere.
Ita not just the US, all Western countries except Ireland are basically doing whatever Israel wants. Check any larger western newspaper and none are really critical of Israel. Look at Germany for an example of how fucked they are in Europe.
Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Estonia, Japan, Austria and Romania All cut UNRWA funding based purely on Israels word with zero evidence.
When will this lie stop? People never shut the fuck up about this conflict in the west. There are endless protests and the media repeats that Isreal needs to stop every day.
And yet all day, every day, on Lemmy people cry about the west not caring or writing about it or shilling for Isreal. It’s just delusional bordering on dishonest at this point.
You are conflating citizens with governments. Just because we protest doesn’t mean our governments are not sending weapons and support their way.
And the media pushes Israeli talking points and often does shit like refusing to use the word genocide, while using loaded language to make Israel seem the victim.
I am not. I meant exactly what I said and I’d thank you to not make shit up and pretend I meant something else. The US government is made up of many many people who vocalize their disagreement with Isreal and have called it a genocide.
The Associated Press, the media organization this post is from is an American non-profit based in New York. Easily half the articles run in the US are rehashed AP articles.
Because the US is full of Christian zealots who believe that when the Jews manage to rebuild their temple, armageddon happens and they all get to go to Heaven.
They are actively cheering on WWIII and the deaths of billions over a 2000 year old work of fiction. And are neglecting to mention that this Jewish country they all support will be bombed into dust for their messiah to return.
Christian Zionists belong to a death cult and the fact that they have so much influence over an allegedly secular government is gross.
The part they don’t say out loud is that they also believe that all the Jews in the world have to live in Israel after the temple is rebuilt. Meaning expelling Jews from the U.S. and all other countries other than Israel.
I still don’t get it. Didn’t this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
give Palestine and Israel equal right to exist? It seems like Israel got all the benefits and Palestine none, it just keeps ceding (and getting stolen) more and more land to Israel.
“Biden and his administration are doing all they can” my ass!
They’re exactly as beholden to the Israeli apartheid state as all the previous ones going back to 1948, if not MORE than many of them.
Just one example of many that the DNC is still stuck in 1992 and almost half as unresponsive to the will of the majority of the people as the literal fascists on the other side of the aisle 🤬
They are doing all they can to cover for Israel, while attempting to appear neutral.
Someone remind me again why does the US, or any country, have veto power in the UN?
A veto power basically makes the entire institution useless.
The threat of violence.
Because without it there would be no UN, and as useless as you think the current UN is, I promise you no UN is even more useless.
It’s bleak but the fact that we can even get everybody in the same room is remarkable. Like it or not, a UN where Monaco and the US (or, Russia, China, etc) have the same power at the table is a UN where the big players reject its authority and form their own clubs.
Justify how there would be no UN without such veto. Because, honestly, an agreement council where you can only agree as a group to do something if the big players don’t say otherwise to me looks like it just compounds the eternal problems we already have and is nothing more than just another flavour of “feel free to protest in a way that does not importunate me” Capitalism.
Because there isn’t a UN without America, China and Russia.
France and the UK could leave and the UN could exist but those 3? Not a chance.
Each of those larger nations carries so much weight that their influence on global politics would outshine any body that tried to legislate without them.
The UN could exist technically but it would have no teeth at all. It has few enough as is.
Still, doesn’t sound like a good argument to give those nations veto power over all decisions. Like, currently the way things are reading a motion could come it to have the UN acknowledge that, say, Palestinians are still human beings, and the US could veto that - and then what?
That can’t happen - go read the declaration on human rights. The question is never if they’re humans: it’s if the state is recognized. Their rights as humans aren’t contested.
Taiwan is still not recognized as a country only because China refuses to do so.
This is better than the alternative.
Wasn’t that why the League of Nations failed?
The League of Nations failed because it was toothless, and basically did have extreme veto powers built in for world powers.
Countries weren’t abiding by their obligations to directly intervene with attacks on member nations when a world power was an aggressor because doing so would create severe political problems for them. To this end the UN have their own armed forces for such issues.
Do you honestly think the UN is that effective when it concerns international human rights? They approved a ceasefire in Gaza and nothing happened. There’s a two-year long genocide in Ukraine and the UN just let’s the Russian Ambassador carry on, and they’ve done nothing to stop them.
Things like food aid and whatnot they’re obviously helpful with, but if the League of Nations was toothless then the UN is wearing dentures in my mind lol
Symbolic gesture vetoed.
Palestine simply doesn’t have any viable leadership. It’s ok to criticize Israel, but still not ok to criticize Palestine, so nobody is holding Palestinian leadership to account.
You got Fatah which is corrupt. You got Hamas which is corrupt and are terrorists.
If Palestine had full independence tomorrow, what kind of state would it be? A failed state. The next Yemen, Somalia, or Afghanistan.
But yeah give some legitimacy to the corrupt leaders of an occupied territory and continue to avoid looking at the reality of how bad their leadership is a little longer. That will improve things for Palestinians!
Oh right, I forgot we’re supposed to performatively care about Palestinians while not actually caring about them.
The vote in the 15-member Security Council was 12 in favor, the United States opposed and two abstentions, from the United Kingdom and Switzerland. U.S. allies France, Japan and South Korea supported the resolution.
Pretty interesting
The US veto allows their allies to vote for popularity without being bound
We won’t know if that happened here but it could have influenced it
Of course the UN is a joke anyway, so it’s not like this really matters in any way.
I mean yeah, there are minimum standards for entry. Maybe Palestine should get its shit together and stop choosing terrorism every chance it gets.
The proposal is for the West Bank government to be recognized in the UN as the State of Palestine, not Hamas. By conflating both you’re regurgitating far right talking points meant to dehumanie Palestinians and deprive them of any tool to answer to literal crimes against humanity.
They should start demonstrating their commitment to humanity by condemning Hamas, condemning the October 7 attacks, and then by pursuing the war criminals in their own ranks for a while, instead of offering support and shelter.
Your comment reminded me of one of those times Trump’s campaign manager, former attorney or something was charged with crimes, and then Trump pretended he didn’t even know the person.
I am not strongly opposed the West Bank having UN membership but they have work to do. I could be convinced they’re on their way. I haven’t seen much evidence of that.
I wouldn’t have gone so far as to say Israel should be unrecognized but you make some good points
Brought to you by decades of Israeli lobbying money mixed with gullible religious morons in the U.S. legislature. Money in politics leads to genocide.
Re: gullible religious folks in the US.
After 9/11, I remember seeing “Jews for Jesus” pamphlets being passed out by right wing Jewish folks to any person passing by. It was a cynical ploy to use the environment to further right wing Israeli religious interests. Land grabs by way of illegal settlement building has never stopped.
Of course, many, perhaps majority even, of evangelical and fundamentalist christians in America are the most ‘useful idiots’ since they believe the Rapture requires full support of Israel in order for end times Prophecy to come to fruition.
Are you sure the people passing it out were right-wing Jews and not “Messianic Jews?” Because the latter are often people who were raised as Christians, found out they had a Jewish grandmother, then became a Messianic Jew to feel closer to her.
There are also plenty of people who are third-generation Messianic Jew or whatever.
Sure, there are people who are ethnically Jewish and grew up steeped in Jewish culture and religion but one day converted to Christianity, but they aren’t the majority of the “Jews for Jesus” crowd.
It could’ve been, I can only say they wore kippah’s and had sidelocks that you’d see in orthodox communities.
(ps i am an atheist btw and respect peoples right to believe in whatever gets you some peace in this life. but also see that wherever religion and politics meet it tends to become problematic. some minority or other will suffer, not to mention loss of basic human rights, oppression, telling other people how they must live their lives, ancient based roles and kingdoms that must be re-established, who they can love, violence, bigotry, etc… and thats no bueno)
In 2023 Israel spent $4 million in lobbying and got $4 billion in aid. We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y’all. No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.
We should pool together and buy ourselves some politicians, y’all.
Traditionally, one calls that “forming a party” but unfortunately we live in a two-party system.
It should be noted that the $4B Israel got wasn’t just $4B for Israel. It was $4B for purchase of US weapons systems too Israel. And it wasn’t just Israel lobbying for this spending. You had a host of MIC lobbyists throwing in their own millions.
It should further be noted that AIPAC isn’t just doing a one-time $4M retail purchase of legislation. They’ve spend decades building up an enormous back bench of former US Congresscritters, allied staffers, political bundlers, event organizers, and religious affiliates. They injected $4M down the funnel in an 11th-hour push for the next traunch of military kick-backs that they’ve been receiving since the Bush 43 administration.
No other investment reliably returns 1000:1.
Its important to recognize that Israel provides an incredibly vital service to the US military in the form of maintaining control of the Suez Canal. Its not just a 1000:1 ROI. They’re holding Egyptian national leadership at gunpoint and we’re kicking them over some money to keep the gun loaded.
Thanks Biden!
Would have been the same result with any US President at the helm.
Fuck you america*
Dearest Biden,
Please stop trying to get Trump elected.
Pleasant Regards, Everyone who gives a shit about abortion access.
Only reason Biden is free to support genocide is because his opponent is Trump. It is the current political climate responsible for Israel’s blatant disregard to humanity.
fucking seriously. he won’t step aside, and he won’t stop holding it over the abyss.
he wants to make it as painful as possible to vote for him, but I just… I know at this point I can’t, abd I’m starting to see much less radical people than me make that call.
Grow up.
that’s not really a response to anything I said, its just suggesting that I’m a child and my opinions dont matter until they match yours. which is kinda shitty.
possibly because you dont have any coherent criticism of what I said, but dont want to change your beliefs or admit mine could also be valid?
I don’t think it was suggesting it.
It terrifies me as a transgender immigrant (and nightlife performer) because I know Trump literally is dying for the chance to genocide me and my friends, but Biden really isn’t helping at all. This country is a failure.
yep! spin the wheel of genocides!
this is why you don’t vote for the “lesser evil” for twenty years. takes electoral politics from ‘impotent’ to ‘suicidal’.
its… well its not cool that this is the only option, but there are other kinds.
That’s the thing.
Whenever somebody goes “we have to vote Biden just this once to stop Trump” I think back on the last 2 or 3 decades were the Democrat’s appeal to vote have been little more than a variant of this and how it has brought things to such a point that now the only two viable candidates to POTUS are genocide lovers (Mango Moussolini vs Smooth Talker Moussolini).
It’s like fighting a War by taking one hill after another whilst going in the wrong direction - sure, those who are the kind that can’t see the forest because of the trees, are gonna be celebrating after they succeed in taking a hill in one of their attempts every 4 years, but meanwhile at a strategical level things keep getting worse and worse, because they’ve been conditioned to always assault the wrong hill.
real politics are direct, not electoral. especially here.
that doesn’t just mean violence. it means if you want infrastructure; steal AutoCAD or grab a shovel. maybe hit up some friends. worst case: if they kill you for it, and what you built was cool, they have to keep running it for a few decades or radicalize everybody who remembers you.
the fact that the powerful even wanted to do this shows nothing else will work.
The trouble with every “vote” argument on the left is always about the POTUS. The Republicans had a mission for decades that not a single non-Republican would run unopposed across the entire damn country no matter how small the vote was. Is it a sheriff for some backwater town? Yup, better make sure a Republican is there. How about a superintendent?
From the ground they have worked absolutely hard to make sure they had control of as much of the government to control every vote.
To use your analogy of fighting a war. As you said they’re celebrating taking a hill in an attempt in every four years. But that’s because one group is only doing the charge every four years and wondering “Why are we losing?” when the other side is digging the trenches advancing every year. Yes, this is the Democrats fuckup because they certainly aren’t investing in them like the Republicans but then among a supply of left wing friends I’m the one informing “Here’s the important fucking local vote about abortion/taxes/who’s running for x seat” and finding out often that I’m the only one who was faffed to vote.
You can always migrate away from the US.
Way easier said than done
Stupid US-ians.
Does Palestine even have a reasonable government that could represent them?
Does Israel?
Does the US?
Doesn’t answer or invalidate my question tho.
Why?
Israel is a different government and we should consider it as such… Unless you think there should be no Palestine? What is your point exactly?
If Israel is a different country, so should Palestine.
Yes, basically the whole planet is aligned with you there. Is there an actual point that you have? Why not discuss these two different entities in terms of the unique problems within their societies? You can’t just say “Israel” if you disagree with someone, you have to use your words bub.
Yes, basically the whole planet is aligned with you there.
Did you miss the headline of this post?
Nope. Then again, when it comes to this particular conflict, neither does the US.
And it’s about to become even worse when the combination of Biden’s insistence that Zionism is more important than human rights and the DNC’s insistence on him likely leads to another extremely avoidable loss to the mango Mussolini and his fascist henchmen.
They at least have a government, not 1.5 governments.
One fascist apartheid regime isn’t better than one halfway decent government and a terrorist group masquerading as one.
Such a great idea to make an international organisation for diplomacy where the nations that are already dominant also have complete power to stop anything they don’t like.
Surely this is a credible institution and not just a respectable veil over imperialism.
That’s right just sit there and frown at the guy vetoing instead of doing your duty to humanity and punching him in the face.
It’s so funny to me that you guys turn to violence so quickly to get what you want, like you start talking like you care about things being fair but literally can’t help but show your true colors ‘Anyone who doesn’t do what I want should be beaten!’
You love imperialism, you just think you should be in charge of it lol
Every international organization alike, is there to perpetuate US/Europe imperialism.
Hey now, there exist international organizations to perpetuate Russian and Chinese imperialism too! Except the Russian ones are always dysfunctional as fuck and never actually work out.
if there are 192 people at a table and 1 Nazi you have 193 Nazis
You think those countries would have joined without those powers?
No. What’s your point?
U.S. deputy ambassador Robert Wood told the Security Council that the veto “does not reflect opposition to Palestinian statehood but instead is an acknowledgment that it will only come from direct negotiations between the parties.”
Fuck you Robert Wood!
I would love to see an Internet campaign to bombard him with “Fuck You Robert Wood, the coward.”
