This is just blank writable discs, movies and TV shows on bluray will continue to be produced… for now.
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I really wish there was a viable alternative for physical backups. Blu-ray just doesn’t have enough storage space, tape is expensive, and hard drives need to be periodically read.
I’ve read about holographic WORM media, but I just don’t think there’s enough consumer demand for the hardware and media to ever be as affordable as blu-ray.
Once upon a time, I could back up all my important data to a stack of DVD-Rs. How am I supposed to back up a 100TB NAS, though? The “best” alternative is to build a second NAS for backup, but that’s approaching tape drive levels of cost.
How am I supposed to back up a 100TB NAS, though?
By spending money. 100T is a quite a lot of data and big data sets cost money to properly maintain.
Checkout AWS S3 “Deep Glacier Archive”. It’s perfect for data you only “read” in recovery events, since you have to wait up to 12 hours to retrieve the data. I backup my Plex this way.
Based on their 100T of data the .00099 per GB pricing will have them spending $99 a month, or $1200 a year, for backup.
A NAS is supposed to be redundant. You can use offline HDDs as NAS backup.
I just double my HDDs and put them in RAID1. Not foolproof against data loss, but I wouldn’t be heartbroken if I lost my Plex library. For important docs I add a cloud backup.
3-2-1 is the way to go.
It’s the answer. It’s the reason.
I’m trying to do a 3-2-1 but instead I’m doing a 4-3-0. Original is on SSD with scheduled backups to two separate HDs so that I have 3 copies on two different media (if SSD + HD counts as distinct enough) so then I added in BDR as an infrequent 4th manual copy for my most irreplaceable data (and I’m very strict with what counts as irreplaceable so that the total is just over 100GB at this point). Eventually I need to get a copy of the disks off site but for now they are in the basement.
I have no illusions about how long the BDRs will last. (Seems like it is anywhere between 100 days and 100 years).My aim is to just have another copy that is distinct from magnetic or flash storage. My plan is to burn new updated copies so that any data on an old disk will get burned to a newer disk at some point. Maybe in ten years I’ll abandon this approach but for now it makes me feel better.
Me, with a 200 Terrabyte usb drive, wondering why this is an issue.
Flash-style drives like SSDs and… drives from alliexpress aren’t recommended for long-term storage.
I use BD-R for archival storage of important files. They’re cheaper and easier than tape as well as small. I burn them in triplicate and throw them in the same case and as long as the same 3 bits don’t corrupt I can recover. The shelf life on a blue ray sealed and stored well is a few decades which is better than most other media.
Where are you buying your Blu-rays? Every time I’ve looked into burnable BD-Rs they’ve been more expensive per gigabyte than a 3.5" SATA hard drive (which has the bonus of better data longevity and being rewritable).
I understand that from a business perspective, but I’m having a hard time rationalizing it for personal use.
I guess, if you’re doing a lot of video editing and you want to preserve a large personal library? Idk.
It’s mostly family photos and videos. I’ve become the de facto family digital archivist. Some digital copies of important phyiscal records. When you convert files to lossless/uncompressed formats suitable for long term storage they get large really quickly.
It’s okay, in 75 years Japan’s government will still be keeping them alive. That’s why you can still buy floppy discs on Amazon.
Shits crazy I can still buy compact flash cards, and zip cards
I sort of understand still selling CF cards. They were used in high end photo and video equipment until not too long ago, and they have storage space comparable with smaller SD cards and USB drives. Plenty of equipment using CF is still perfectly good and still worth using.
I’ve never heard of a zip card. If you mean the old zip disks (I think the largest was 250MB or so), I can’t imagine any reason someone would ever use one of these. Even new, zip drives were notoriously unreliable and not all that widespread. I had one, and I rarely used it in favor of CD-R or RW.
Japan just gave up the floppy (officially), but there will still be other legacy users.
Until VERY recently the US nuclear arsenal required 8" floppies. Disks that went out of favor in the early 70s because they can only spin for a few hours before they start to corrupt.
The one that most blew my mind was that my local Walmart only stopped selling blank BetaMax tapes in the mid 00’s. By the time the store was built they weren’t even selling movies on VHS anymore, but the blanks were still worthy of limited shelf space.
Are you sure they were BetaMax and not Betacam SP? Beta SP (as it’s more commonly known) is a high quality format that was still being used by TV stations when I was working them as late as the 2010s. There were a few other later much higher quality formats like ED-Beta.
Also, I believe some camcorders also used Beta formats.
I’m sure camcorders were the reason. But no, they were BetaMax.
Nonsense. Plenty of American businesses still rely on them too.
I still use floppy disks from time to time. There are several USB floppy drives in my shop at work for when the network has issues and we have problems posting G Code to our mills.
I’ve never had a need to burn a blu-ray. When bd-r’s hit the scene with their obscenely priced recording drives, it was only maybe a year or two before flash memory had already become cheap and fast enough that any volume of data large enough to justify a BD was better served on a 16/32gb thumbdrive unless it needed to be distributed in volume, and I’ve never needed to make enough identical copies of something to justify the $200-$300 that the first drives cost.
It sucks losing an option but I actually doubt most anyone will notice. 3rd party manufacturers will keep making disc’s for a while anyway.
Did anyone ever burn their blu ray discs? There has been so many better options like USB sticks and external hard drives ever since the launch of blu ray.
Blue-Ray Discs are basically the only viable WORM (Write-Once-Read-Many) that is available to normal and small scale professional users. The cheapest alternative, Tandberg RDX is a few hundred bucks per TB. And these are far inferior in terms of protection against outside influences compared to BD media.
And considering that a lot of professional data (e.g. tax reports) are legally required to be saved on WORM in a lot of countries it is indeed an issue, even more so in times of crypto/ransomviruses. None wants to loose their precious baby or wedding photos to a untimely virus. And no, normal Dropbox/OneDrive is no proper backup. And USB drives/external harddrives degrade over time, especially if not used.
25GB and 50GB disks written at blistering 10MB/s in the age of 100MB/s Gigabit Internet connected to storage (S3, Backblaze, etc. etc.) means that networks have completely obsoleted Blu Rays.
I’m surprised they still found a use of these things. Flash drives are also so much cheaper, faster, and more convenient.
I know for some secure purposes they still use CDs because they’re a lot harder to sneak around than a flash drive. There are still some uses, but they’re very niche. There’s essentially zero purpose for personal use.
We must cut all options for the end user to own anything, let’em pay subscriptions instead.
In a SONY board meeting, probably.
This is not as big a deal as you think. Blu-Ray production itself isn’t ending, they just aren’t making any more rewritable Blu-Rays. Most people aren’t going to be burning stuff to Blu-Rays. You’ll still be able to buy Blu-Rays if you want a physical copy of a film.
Different divisions. This is more akin to when Sony decided to stop making floppy disks. The market is there for now, but it’s just not worth it from a financial perspective.
The amount of people burning their own blu rays is minimal. Even the type of people who emphasize owning their own content just use a NAS system.
Ironically those who own their own NAS and hoarding data are amongst the more likely to be burning their own Blu-rays
This is more akin to when Sony decided to stop making floppy disks. The market is there for now, but it’s just not worth it from a financial perspective.
Ironically Japan is just now phasing out floppies, so there’ll still be a market for a while.
A NAS is mostly geared for online media storage, whereas disks are for offline.
That’s just the government though, similar to how a lot of the systems in the US still run on COBOL (including the IRS).
I mean sure, but Jellyfin and HDDs exist, and are much more convenient than burning a Blu-ray that you have to put in a drive to watch.
I have a BluRay drive capable of burning but I’ve never needed it for that. I’ve been mostly using it for my ancient cd collection.
I mean, as long as there is a hard copy archive option out there this is ok (cloud is already flirting with copyblight).
Damn, the end of an era. I wonder how anime will be sold in Japan now if not on Blu-rays?
They sell anime on recordable Blu-rays? Surely they use normal Blu-rays?
Okay yep, I am too tired two days in a row.
I thought it was all Blu-ray’s, not just recordable(re-recordable?) ones.
I thought it meant that like, yeah Blu-ray’s in general are being phased out.
In your defense, a bunch of the earlier reports about this straight up implied that was the case for the clickbait.
It’s recordable Blu-Rays, not the entire format.
Bluray disk cost 25$ for 50gb and usb flash drive cost 5$ for 64gb
How can I afford to buy Criterion Collection Blu-Rays for $14.99 if blu-ray discs cost $25?
Economy of scale and also slightly different, but related, media format. Criterion has them printed in bulk.
Yeah ok, but as we’ve established in this thread, Blu Ray discs don’t cost $25 a piece. At any level. So.
Again, writable Blu-ray is a slightly different format from what you would buy with a movie on it. They are not putting Criterion movies on the same discs you could burn them to in a drive.
That’s read-only, not read/write, plus they’re buying bulk.
Damn, a 50gb blu ray costs 2€ in my country.
The 25GB disks are like 10¢.
Where? I see only 30$ for 5pack of 25gb bd-r
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004217228740.html true, now that you’ve showed me example, on Amazon it’s cheaper, i just didn’t bought Blu-ray disks before and this is what I’ve seen from advertisements
I find it kinda funny Sony tried so hard to own the standard so many times thought they eventually got it but then the Internet made it irrelavent almost instantly.
I don’t like Sony.
Am with you. Their midrange phones still have headphone jacks, though. I like that.
Yeah their phones do generally still do things like microsds etc which is very nice I also like the psp but I’ve bought so many Sony products that develop weird faults straight after the warranty and the fact they alway push propriety cards etc.
Its a weird company where divisions seem to actively sabotage each other I just don’t trust them at all.
I also like the psp
I like it too. I’ve even made a few calls with the Skype version for it.
Lots of Star Wars and Forgotten Realms and Russian fantasy books and lots of porn stories have been read in its web browser.
The music player felt nice.
In general, I feel like that’s how “smartphones” should be.
PSP is probably the best thing Sony ever made even considering the Walkman when they were a a+ Company. Psp has some super gems the sad fact is the Vita could have easily been even bigger if Sony themselves didn’t jump through hoops sabotaging the thing.
The things they did that ruined it was using their own very bad card that barely lasted 6 months over microsd and they gave all the big title game releases to absolute garbage company’s like Nihilistic who have now renamed themselves several times because they make pure trash so they have to .
I’m also pretty bitter over their top of the range Bluetooth speaker which for me began switching between bass mode and treble mode every two seconds straight after the warranty I mean maybe two days after . The fault make no sense at all if it was the button there would be a normal mode in there and I’d barely used the thing at all I’d used it maybe 6 tines. So to me that’s the killer how could such a fault happen if it wasn’t designed to.
I mean if the fault made any real sense I would have bought it but it was ridiculous and then I started reading about the Sony kill switch etc.
Vita
PSP-2008 (slim) is the best IMHO, fewer things to break mechanically, immortal buttons, big enough for my clumsy hands.
and they gave all the big title game releases to absolute garbage company’s like Nihilistic who have now renamed themselves several times because they make pure trash so they have to .
We-ell, I played a few Star Wars games on it, and some more. Would like plain Battlefront II there, though. And playing KotOR II: TSL on PSP lying in grass in summer in sunny windy weather would be glorious.
Sony kill switch
That’s the company that would distribute trojans on official CDs.
One of the reasons I was sympathetic to Apple at some point (EDIT: in the sense that them being malicious didn’t frighten me off) was that I liked PSP and Sony was just as bad. Then I realized that Apple simply doesn’t offer anything interesting though. Eh, neither did Sony after PSP.
Don’t fret, Verbatim will still be making recordable BD-Rs. However, this will mean that there will be no more 128GB BD-Rs, we’ll be stuck with only 100GB BD-Rs (Sony is the only company that makes 128GB Blu-rays).
I recently ordered a pack of 128GBs from Japan. I’d recommend you do the same, because the prices are gonna skyrocket.
The 128GB blurays have always been very expensive. The smaller discs are cheaper per GB.
For the price of 128GB BD-Rs you would probably benefit from buying an LTO-5+ drive.
I wish I could afford an LTO-9 drive, but $5K is a bit steep. $90 per 45TB for media is phenomenal though.
May I ask what uses you have for them?
Backing up personal data, mostly stuff from my childhood that is irreplacable. Sure, I could just put them on a HDD, but then I’d have to replace it every 5-10 years. Data stored on Blu-ray can last a long time.
Data on hard drives also generally lasts a long time. Much longer than 5-10 years.
And make sure you’re constantly monitoring those discs, disc rot is very much a thing for all optical medica.
MDiscs are ISO rated for hundreds to thousands of years.
https://www.ecma-international.org/wp-content/uploads/ECMA-379_3rd_edition_june_2010.pdf
Rated for, but that doesn’t mean they’re all actually manufactured to that standard.
CDs were rated for like 50+ years originally I think. We found out real quick that was an optimistic number, especially when you buy the cheapest thing around.
Will this mean PS5 games in coming years would come in two disks?
Update: never mind they were always using 100 gb
