I would just unplug the camera and computer. Every day. Even if I wasn’t buying anything.
Fuck this business.
Be sure to wear gloves.
Why?
I’d presume they have a few cashiers from the Philippines but at least one person managing the store.
Boo for OP who didn’t name and shame
https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/us-news/nyc-restaurants-use-zoom-cashiers-from-philippines/
adding that she splits tips with her manager and kitchen staff at the restaurant.
They don’t even let her keep her entire tips. The whole situation is fucked. Somebody mentioned in the article also brought up a great point…
“Today, this is a Filipino woman behind a screen, controlling a POS system — but it’s not crazy to believe that probably in the next six to twelve months, this could be an AI avatar doing all the same things,” he said.
What a shitty future we have.
From the article, Sansan Chicken, Sansan Ramen, and Yaso Kitchen, all in NY. (Since nobody has said it yet)
Well yeah. When you eat at a restaurant, and tip, generally you’re not intending to tip the solely the cashier.
Before chanting along with the hate chant just think for a second. When’s the last time you tipped a cashier, with the intention of the tip going to the cashier and none of the rest of the staff?
I never intend for them to go to the manager.
Um…yes I do. If I enjoy the service of one particular waiter, I expect that the tip (at least the majority of it, let’s say around 75-90% if not 100% of it) goes to the waiter who served me. If I’m tipping a cashier, I just give him a few bucks and tell him to pocket it discreetly.
That’s right folks, this is why you don’t tip cashiers or anyone else for that matter unless they get sub min wage rate.
Zoom ID and pass are in the image tho 😄
Was about to say the same. Up vote instead.
this should be straight up illegal.
It’s not only legal it’s effectively encouraged. Capitalism is a race to the bottom, regardless of consequences.
When the supreme Court has their finger in the scale it makes everything feel fuckin hopeless
The person in the Philippines gets a good job out of this
They’re being paid minimum wage. It’s not a great job.
Edit: And apparently they split their tips with the people working in the restaurant too, so I really feel like this is just exploitation.
The minimum wage in the Phillipines is around $10 a day.
If this is right:
Looks like the absolute max is less than $10, and the absolute minimum is less than six dollars.
- $5.24 (306 PHP)
to - $9.76 (570 PHP)
How come agricultural laborers get shafted? An immediate guess is the government trying to keep food costs down.
- $5.24 (306 PHP)
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We must be mistaken
People should just not go there. But it’s america and they probably have 1dollar chicken nuggets or something.
I would probably just turn around if I saw and understood what I was looking at. Definitely wouldn’t go back a second time.
I think it is illegal. I thought you had to file a W2 for anyone working in the states.
Good thing they build a wall so these mean immigrants are not stealing jobs.
immigrants are not stealing jobs.
I know you are being cheeky… But you are using their lingo. It is strategic as it skips the the perp ie the rent seeker looking to underpay for labour.
You know how fake teevee always got NYC migrant bussing story?
But we never hear about migrants being bussed into the heartland to work in meat packing or some other hard work.
Who is paying to bus them anyway?
Asking for a friend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclosure
Oops! All Plantations now!
Guess it wasn’t much of a land for the free. Unless people start pushing back, I gotta question if it’s the home of the brave, either.
Can’t wait to hear how Trump says Philippines
This shit has got to be outlawed. Companies are doing this across the board. Literally skirting labor laws, outsourcing jobs that should be going to us citizens, all to just continue pouring more money into the tops pockets. When will we have all had enough?
It’s a simple enough solution in this case. They are performing the work of employees, so for all intents and purposes, they are employees. They are directly interacting with US customers at a physical location within the US. Their place of work is that physical location, even if they are not physically present. They need authorization to work in the US, and the minimum wage laws applicable to that location applies to these workers.
All that is missing is the lawsuit under existing labor laws, which they will probably lose.
Good luck finding a judge taking such a position
Judiciary is just a rubber stamp for the corporate needs. Last 40 years of court rulings speak for themselves.
Courts ain’t saving slaves
Sounds like something the Department of Labour could legislate… Or could have.
But the supreme court just ruled that this falls under the courts jurisdiction and there’s a snowflakes chance in hell that a case pushed high and far enough will result in those ghouls will rule in favour of labour interests.
Yeah, I don’t think SCOTUS would side with an IRS or Labour Department rule requiring businesses pay minimum wage. But you’re forgetting the “racist” angle: the courts would love nothing more than to support a State Department determination that they are “immigrant workers” and require a work visa.
So what can the citizens do to get traction on this?
Not with this fucking compromised supreme court. Nothing was capitalized on purpose.
This feels cyberpunk. Some netrunner will hack the system and give free meals away because fuck the corpos, right?
I don’t think you need a netrunner to plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit “Leave” on the (I assume) Zoom call.
Even easier, unplug the ethernet cable.
Whoa, slow down there, Einstein, I don’t understand your hacker jargon!
Or turn off the monitor and bounce lol. If you don’t have employees to fix things, systems are hilariously easy to break.
plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit “Leave” on the (I assume) Zoom call.
“If someone’s consistently lucky, it ain’t luck”
Are there movements in the US or globally to force all business into worker coops? Unions are good but I think this is their ultimate limitation, that employers can just offshore their jobs
Argentina has somewhat of a history of workers seizing their factories. I think it would be extremely hard in the U.S. due to the well-funded police. Generally, I guess the movement would be “anarcho-syndicalism.”
Edit: misremembered worker factory takeovers in the past as occurring in Venezuela instead of Argentina.
Thanks. I didn’t know about Venezuela’s history at all. But I meant not more on a policy level to mandate that all companies must be owned equally by employees instead of shareholders
They’ll send in the national guard
Forcing isn’t good.
By that hyper-simplistic “logic” people shouldn’t be forced into prison if they murder someone.
Clearly some kinds of forcing in some situations are “good”, and if some are good but other not, that means the real discussion is all about “when is forcing right and when is it not?” something that childlike “logic” of yours doesn’t even begin to address.
Forcing to defend the lives of others, is very different from forcibly taking what belongs to others
The meme is right, the claim of belonging is complete bullshit. Your toothbrush and your home belong to you, a business involving multiple people belongs to everyone involved. The idea that it doesn’t is narcissism and evil.
Your toothbrush and your home belong to you, a business involving multiple people belongs to everyone involved.
You’re free to believe what you want, I’m personally a Lockean property rights enjoyer.
Cringe and evil
I think stealing the labor of others is evil
Funny bc thats in agreement with what I just said. Unless you think your home and toothbrush are not yours bc you didn’t make them.
It disagrees with the second statement not the first
Forcing is absolutely good. We force companies to do all kinds of things, in terms of corporate governance (publicly traded companies must have their finances audited, for example), ownership (banks used to be prevented from buying stock so that they would not avoid calling in bad debt), and how they do business (collusion between big tech to keep salaries down for example).
Yeah because private Enterprise will be guided by the invisible hand to do the right thing
“It’s stealing time!”
- every semi competent criminal
Ah yes, it’s the minorities who are stealing jobs. Not the lack of regulations blocking corpos from outsourcing work.
Shhhh don’t say that part. We’re supposed to hate each other.
Working as a graphic designer in the US since the early 2000’s, every employer I ever worked for eventually used Fiverr to pay someone overseas a fraction of what they paid me to do the same work. This doesn’t seem meaningfully different.
Not saying this is okay, just that it’s not even remotely (no pun intended) a new problem.
This whole thing is a to send a message to begin with as with AI, actually more so.
Most of the “AI job losses” are this sort of offshoring actually… Joke is on the wage slaves.
This is pure Astronaut meme with “wait, AI is just 3rd world wage slaves?”
They even gave it a cheeky name! “Mechanical Turk”, the thing that famously had a real person inside it pretending to be a machine.
There was an article that exposed Amazons cashier-less stores were just bunch of Indians overseas reviewing footage because their classification algorithms failed half the time
Why not just have a kiosk at this point
The monthly subscription to the kiosk software still costs more I bet.
Right, Corpomerica will corpomerica
They do have a kiosk. Just one that’s supervised by someone in the Philippines
Theyre stealing our jobs without even being here! /s
Maybe someone will catch on to who the actual enemy is here…
Lol. Not the hicks. Theyll see foreigner and get pissy
Ok what the actual fuck?
They call it free market
I’m almost certain this has been tried before multiple times and always ended badly. I see no reason to think it would be different now.
No one wants to see the people who are being exploited.
“Please don’t destroy my job to satisfy your desire to virtue signal”
— the person who now has a job as a cashier
Sucks to be them. Stop enabling our owner class to hollow out our economy even more
Is this real? Is there any proof of this actually being a thing?
