I’m actually pretty dang hopeful right now. The right has spent so much time and effort focused around Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.
Now we have a new candidate starting from zero with many people, vs trump which is obviously very well known. In short I’m trying to say we have the element of surprise, the benefit of the unknown. They have to convince moderates that this new candidate is still somehow worse than trump, and these aren’t the hard right people, these are the undecided (somehow) and centered voters.
Far right voters will always back trump, but the indecisive voters and moderate Republicans who don’t like trump but fell for the years of propaganda against Biden have been wanting anyone who is better than Biden but not trump. Same with more centered Democrats, not that they wanted to vote for trump but Biden was not a great candidate for them either.
The rights whole plan was “Joe is so much worse than trump!” and they had 16 years of content to pull on. They can’t do that again with a new candidate. People say they handed the election to Republicans. I think it’s the opposite. I think Republicans demanding Joe drop out when anti Joe was their only message may have just accidentally handed the election to Democrats.
If the Dems come out strong on this I think it could shake up the whole election. I see people online saying doom and gloom, I strongly disagree, I think this is a huge rallying cry.
Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.
Nope. Now it’s trump who’s old and tired. Kamala needs to go after trump and his crime family like she would other criminals and prosecute them in the press. She is a former prosecutor, after all.
I was very against Biden dropping out, but i think this is a pretty good point. I think it is still very risky for her to run due to race and sex discrimination, but it might not be a predetermined loss at least.
I think that’s the invigorating thing as a Democrat. I was feeling beat down and tired, we knew what the outcome was more or less, a razer thin margin on either side. This completely changes that equation, and it means both sides will have to really amp up their game. Democrats just proved they’re willing to throw the hail Mary and that makes me really excited!
Honestly yes, not that the hard right will see that, but yes she has the huge opportunity to say something like “it’s time we put power in the hands of people who will see the effects of it” so to speak. If she used rhetoric similar to that it could be impactful for getting young people to actually vote like they did for Obama
Biden has an opportunity to make speech saying something like, “I’ve decided I am too old for the job, as anybody over 70 should be. It is time for the oldest generation to step aside for their children and grandchildren. It is they who know what the world needs, because they are the ones who will live in that world. The younger generations should no longer elect anyone who is out of touch with their needs.”
That’s what he should do, now let’s get back to reality, that’s never going to happen. That would require the geriatric fucks who put us into this godforsaken mess in the first place to admit that they just might have been, wrong and to give up their power to someone new. They’d rather die and leave the country in turmoil than do what’s right. And it’s across all three branches of government, it’s not anything exclusive to the Congress critters. Just look at how we got our current Republican controlled SCOTUS. These fuckers aren’t going to leave on their own, they need to be forced out.
That would require the geriatric fucks who put us into this godforsaken mess in the first place to admit that they just might have been, wrong and to give up their power to someone new.
That literally just happened?
Show me where there is anything even close to an admission of being wrong? Where is he saying that running again was a mistake and that the party needs to be looking to younger members to take them into the future?
Biden isn’t apologizing for the waste of campaigning up to this point. He got COVID again and combined with the massive push due to the clearly pertinent age-related health questions, there’s just no option to keep going. He’s only dropping his bid because it’s being forced.
He’s not leaving because he wants to, or because he’s had any sort of realization.
Regime is gonna regime this
There is NO practical way to affect any of this. We can chose trump or Harris and neither of then is going to be anything of sorts.
Can’t even get annual or maternity leave. Shit ain’t even on the agenda lol
… Now it’s trump who’s old and tired …
So it’s his turn to drop out of the race?
That’s certainly what US media should be focusing on, but probably won’t.
Yeah, all their shooting against Biden will now come back to haunt them. It’s not like Trump isn’t a senile old man. He’s just senile in different ways.
More malicious, incompetent, and openly hostile ways. He’s the elderly home resident who none of the nurses want to help because of what an awful person he is.
I’m hoping she sees a surge of support when she starts bitch slapping Trump around for being a treasonous felon
I agree completely. I think the strong move for Harris will be to focus her campaign around abortion rights and promise to fight for federal laws guaranteeing the right to an abortion, even to the point of openly defying the Supreme Court if they reject the law. She also needs to focus on court reform, push for a strict code of conduct to be enforced against the supreme court, and either impeach/replace Alito and Thomas or (if there aren’t enough votes for that) eliminate the fillibuster to pack the courts with only a simple Senate majority.
I am hesitant about is right now the best time for a black woman president, are the people ready for it, but the way you framed it put it well. A strong eloquent black woman who is ready to put women’s rights at the forefront where her opponent is actively trying to take away those rights may work extremely well.
Now is the time for anyone that’s not going to directly try and undermine our Representative Democracy and work to replace it with an Authoritarian Dictatorship. Trump has literally said he wants to be a dictator on day one, and we know the Republican Project 2025 plan. I don’t give a shit if that means we’re voting for a random dude in an Easter Bunny outfit, I’ll suck it up and vote for a furry if it means we don’t go down that path.
Well said man. Totally agree.
If the Dems come out strong on this
That’s my concern. When was the last time they came out strong on anything of importance to the average American?
So far just doing this at all is a pretty strong stance. That’s why it’s exciting, I was with you I fully expected them to do nothing. “Biden’s our best shot, stick with that” This is completely out of character for them. (And it was them, the party pushed him to leave)
When was the last time they came out strong on anything of importance to the average American?
When Joe Biden dropped out of the race.
I’m not sure, but I think it makes it very unlikely he’ll become president.
Only time will tell.
I predict it brings the chance of a second Biden term to zero
I have a quick question as someone not from the US. What is the general opinion that people have of Kamala Harris? Do people voting Democrat have an overall positive impression of her? Or are there people who could be disappointed with the choice?
From the US and I pay a lot of attention to politics.
Her past is she was a bulldog in the courtroom, absolutely a firebrand and ready to take on anyone. By making her VP, her job was mostly to not make the administration look bad, which is a tough job for a firebrand so for years it felt like she was put in the back and kept quiet.
Roe v Wade decision happened, making the abortion argument on the side of the Republicans getting what they wanted, Biden is a Catholic and male so completely uncomfortable using the fact that abortion is the winning ticket item for the Dems so Harris has been beating that drum hard and getting out. GRANTED the media has been focusing on “Biden too old!” (Legit had to learn a Biden policy from BBC because American news isn’t going to talk about that) so she’s still feeling a relative unknown to the country at large.
There are people calling for wanting the DNC to do a vote, but we’re past that marker, there’s people disappointed, and then there’s a lot of people excited. Right now this election is going to shape up to be more “interesting” than Bush v Gore or Trump v Hillary.
I have heard literally 0 news about her for this entire presidency. She’s probably fine. Definitely better than Trump, so, ya know. Voting time
I always thought this was a negative - she squandered the opportunity to stand out - but yoypire probably right
Politically? The general public sees Kamala Harris as a nothingburger. She’s practically a blank slate despite spending the last four years as VP. Nobody’s going to be disappointed because the average person only knows her as a background character.
It’s the best option the Dems have got, but we’ll see how much they want to win when they announce the VP candidate nomination.
I’d say largely neutral. Progressives don’t love her because she was a prosecutor. She has a bit of a reputation for opportunism and lacks charisma but pretty standard democrat overall.
Left left looks at her time as Attornry General of California and sees her as corrupt and responsible for high incarceration rates among other general issues with the overall Democratic party platform.
libLeft sees her as solid dem if not their new prophet, though not like the right worships trump.
Center will probably see her similar to a batman police commisioner. Generally assumed good and unencumbered politically.
Right will only see gender and skin color, and not in a good way.
Vanilla to anyone not fitting neatly in those categories.
Her not being seen for the last few years is good for dems as there’s nothing for the Republicans to latch onto beyond racism and mysogyny. They don’t have the long developed hatred that they have for Hillary.
Realistically it’s the least divisive choice the dems could make.
I’m in Trump country so I am relaying their opinions not my own. “Whore who slept her way to the top”, “lier that is letting the border crisis happen”, " hypocritic that ruined young peoples lives over pot even though she smoked it too".
Otherwise nothing burger, and besides the border debate all of the personal attacks are honestly minor compared to how Trump supporter view Trump out here (you know “he’s not a good man but …”).
I wonder if Biden’s stepping down was partly influenced by the assassination attempt. If he hadn’t, the most prominent symbol of this election would still be that image of Trump screaming “fight” while pumping his fist against the background of the American flag. But if someone from a deserted island opened a news website today for the first time, they wouldn’t even know there was an assassination attempt.
That’s an interesting. I would put my money on him catching covid being the deciding factor.
As Trump has proven, people will vote for an unqualified person so you really just need a warm body.
No one will be able to tell you. But it SHOULD change nothing regarding to what to vote for. You either vote against Trump / fascism / climate collapse, or you support those things either by vote or inaction.
Yes, yes. Thank you.
We know the “Vote Blue No Matter Who” crowd was always going to vote for the blue candidate. That’s a given, and beating the dead horse is just preaching to the choir.
What’s important is that now the Dems have a chance, and the DNC has a precious few days with which to change the future.
It’s not about voting blue no matter who, it’s about preventing Trump. If you think that’s beating the dead horse then you clearly still not understand the threat, the things that are at stake here, the implication his presidency has for the future of all of us.
Vote anti-orange, no matter ???!!
You can’t rhyme with orange: we need to bring Eminem over to fix that for us
If you think that’s beating the dead horse then you clearly still not understand the threat,
And you clearly don’t understand how long I’ve had to put up with people like you shouting down any criticism of the Democrat party, no matter how reasonable or well-intentioned, as if deliberately suppressing talk about the weakness of their former presumed nominee improved his chances.
Keep being a fascist enabler then. Why do I even try to talk to fucking furries…
“Anyone who criticises me is a fascist”
With Democrats like these, who needs Republicans?
Apparently your reading comprehension is also completely broken. Or you’re a bad faith arguing troll who loves to reside in Donald’s diaper.
DarkThoughts, more like DementiaThoughts.
Nobody really knows. The situation is somewhat unprecedented.
If you’re asking for personal opinions: this was absolutely a catch-22. But I do think that it’s probably a good move in the pragmatic context of “find a way to beat the fascists”. I also think it’s hilighting some glaring flaws in our primary system that I hope will be fixed, but I don’t honestly expect to be.
A ton of states are going to fight to keep Kamala Harris off the ballot.
How? Biden wasn’t the official candidate yet.
A lot of states have laws that don’t conform to the national primary process. For instance, Ohio has a law on the books that says the official nomination has to occur by a certain date which is before the second major party convention.
It is important to know that elections are technically run at the state level with some federal oversight.
I’d like to think that the DNC considered all of that before having Joe withdraw.
It was considered. They were going to nominate Biden early to be ahead of this date. I don’t think that’s happening anymore.
It’s also important to know that (IIRC) currently things have been put in place in Ohio for this not to be an issue, but that could change if enough Ohio politicians want it to.
Gotta imagine there are a few more surprises in store for the convention.
I think he will don pipe and slippers and spend his remaining time with his family. It’s the right thing to do.
More threads mentioning Joe Biden in the title than Trump.
All future articles regarding things the executive branch does will go from “Biden did X” to “The Biden-Harris Administration did X”
Well, he won’t be running for president, so there’s that.
I’d love to say it will change the likely outcome, but I’m pretty sure no candidate has ever been subbed in this late in the race and gone on to win. History says people prefer a known quantity. Even if Harris is the new candidate, people don’t pay attention to VPs, so she is kind of an unknown quantity to your average voter. AFAIK she hasn’t participated in any “proper” debates with Trump
On the other hand, assuming it is Harris, the right’s attacks on her are likely to be a lot more openly bigoted, which will lead to less people wanting to vote Republican. The Republicans tend to do better when the criticisms of their opponents are based on something legitimately concerning, like Biden’s age. We are about to see some incredibly disgusting rhetoric from republicans, and it’s liable to make them less popular. Much as I dislike all establishment neoliberal democrats, I have to say I feel sorry for Harris for what she is about to endure if she becomes the nominee. The right has gotten a lot more bold in their willingness to take the mask off since Obama was president, so if you thought the shit he had to wade through was bad, it’s nothing compared to what they will fling at Harris.
The biggest thing at this point is that it’s way too late to have a primary, so whoever is selected, they will be subjected to the very legitimate criticism that they were simply appointed as the nominee by the DNC. That would have basically been true even if there was a primary, but at the very least the primaries create the illusion of a democratic process. People aren’t going to be psyched to vote for Biden’s last minute substitute.
People aren’t going to be psyched to vote for Biden’s last minute substitute.
I sure am. Considering the filthy alternative.
the right’s attacks on her are likely to be a lot more openly bigoted
They’re already dusting off the ole Obama birther playbook and asking if she’s qualified to be President due to citizenship.
Actually the presidential candidate was selected on the day of the convention up until around 1970. They had conventions that would last days, they would lock the doors until a candidate was picked. Then ideally everyone stacked behind the final candidate.
I’m pretty sure there was actually almost a contested convention in like 1980. So no, this is objectively wrong and a bit of a modern convention.
It’s been true for roughly the last half a century that there has been a clear presumptive candidate going into the general. And in any case, the purpose of a primary is to select the candidate. As I said I think it’s going to be detrimental that Harris hasn’t actually won a primary, even though the primaries are a sham.
Doing more research, candidates that were picked from contested conventions are absolutely less likely to win in historically.
So close enough with a candidate as strong with his party as Trump.
Exactly. It’s extremely late in the game for this to happen. I believe Biden absolutely needed to not run for a second term, but he should have made that decision a year ago, not a few months before the general election. The stubbornness of the DNC has likely doomed the US to a second Trump presidency. I hope I’m wrong though.
