Who is surprised?
I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can’t just turn it on.
I and many others can’t just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.
Somewhere, some patent lawyers are going to make millions debating about whether or not this constitutes “public disclosure”.
I can’t wait until the first breach caused by Recall hits the FCC. It’s definitely gonna happen.
If the US government bitching was enough to get the flight simulator easter egg removed from Excel (allegedly), I can’t imagine a similar stern glare from the Pentagon would not cause Recall to magically turn out to be uninstallable after all. At least from any US government owned computers originally so equipped.
Anyway, isn’t this only going to roll out on “Copilot” compatible PC’s with the requisite AI acceleration chips in them? I would be furthermore immensely surprised if it could not be locked out in Group Policy for corporate customers.
Off is the direction in which I would like Microsoft to fuck if they think I’m gonna have a deep learning AI spy on my computer activity.
This just makes me want to switch to Linux.
Stop threatening. Commit. Take the leap. A lot of us here are already on the other side and we’ll help you find your footing.
And it is not scary. A simple distro like Mint, figure out where the software repositories live, how to use thr off8xe suite, and you’re done. Life is "great*.
Free software with no ads, and things that are built for purpose over profit. Going back to Windows is jarring when I use it now.
You guys do know you don’t have to use Windows?
Enterprise CAD does not play well with wine sadly(im such with fusion). But i locked that local account windows install away on a second hard drive with default boot to Linux.
Yup. We’re mostly a linux shop at work, but Fusion360 is almost the only thing we keep Windows around for
You do know that many millions of people are given laptops/desktops for work that have locks that prevent new OS’s from being installed, right?
This is where we say switch to Linux, right?
The problem is like that xkcd comic about experts underestimating the common person’s knowledge in their field. Linux is still not user friendly enough for the vast majority of people. Linux users just don’t seem to understand that most people are in the “wtf is a distro?” level of knowledge and would absolutely panic at the mere sight of a terminal.
They don’t need to know what a distro is, the same way they don’t know the difference between Windows Enterprise, Professional, LTSC, etc.
If it’s not OEM, people like us are going to be the ones installing it for them anyway.
True. Most people wouldn’t know how to install windows. They use it because it’s preinstalled and works. It’s a lot of risk for the average user to attempt an install from media even if it’s well guided. There’s also the roadblock of having media for local backup and the migration of personal data to cloud obfuscating the access to the data even further.
It’s hard enough to get professionals to rtfm.
Yeah but I think most of us have already… We are not many enough to matter though. Microsoft and Google will continue to do what they want with 99% of users.
Eh, I switched. I switched all of my lab’s computers, too, and my PhD students have remarked a few different times that Linux is pretty cool. It might snowball.
I don’t think Linux will displace Windows meaningfully any time soon, but I do think people underestimate the fact that most people don’t install their own OSs. They get people like you to do it for them.
I’ll switch when Windows 10 is no longer supported. Or just before.
Sure it can, you just uninstall the entire OS and replace it with Linux.
Where’s the windows uninstaller located?!
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6f1bde857b97b382f8841cdf3a42c530b3f4e34e&dn=archlinux-2024.09.01-x86_64.isoJust boot this Windows uninstaller.
My computer gives this error:
Error - Arch Linux is already installed.
The windows uninstaller is in the Linux ISO.
Ok, has anyone got DCS World on VR working on Linux? I really want to ditch my Windows gaming machine, I already don’t use it for anything serious, but this is getting ridiculous.
The day FL studio works natively (potato puter) on Linux is the day I fully switch no questions
You may have a look at bigwig. It isn’t exactly Fruity loops but is also a very suitable DAW and runs native on Linux.
I will take a look but I am addicted to FL piano roll, it’s just… Soooo good
If it was listed incorrectly as a feature that could be turned on or off and it was a bug, then the bugfix would seem to be making it listed correctly as a feature that can be turned on or off.
Reading MS description of Recall, I am struggling to come up with a scenario where it would be any use. Sounds like the backspace button would work almost as well at a fraction of the resources needed.
As a forensics analyst I can’t wait lol
There’s a smell of it being some pet project of a big architect.
Windows 10 had a feature called ‘Timeline’. It wasn’t particlarly wanted by many people and it cluttered up an otherwise somewhat useful task overview. It was canned.
This seems to be that guy saying “Hey, I know you canned Timeline on me and called it a failure, but that’s just because we didn’t AI it up, and now we can and everyone is going to want it!”
Yeah, I feel like any program I would want to use this in already has Ctrl+Z to do just that.
Can anyone think if any use case at all?
You get to drink from the fire hose!!!
Didn’t they say the same thing about Internet Explorer, it was part of the OS and can’t be uninstalled or disabled…
Then, antitrust legal action against Microsoft and it turns out they can enable it being removable. Whoops!
If you cant uninstall the software, it isnt your computer. If you tell it to do something and it says no, it is not your computer.
I dont understand why people tolerate anything else. Its maddening.
Because they make it easy and do a few cool things.
“Do you want a mic in your home that can record everything you say and do and send that data off to wherever the company chooses?”
“No of course not.”
“What about of it will also turn your lights on and off and play despacito on demand?”
“You son of a bitch, sign me up”.
I agree but technology hasn’t really been “ours” for a long time. Rooting, jailbreaking, and open source is the only way to take back a modicum of control.
Do you tolerate the TPM/fTPM in your computer? Can you deactivate it? Can you query it? Can you tell it to do something?
I don’t even know what that is
On Arch you can easily uninstall Linux.
The fun part is that there are even legit reasons to do so, the by far most likely one being that you want to use a different package that provides you with a kernel, such as linux-lts or linux-hardened. Definitely know what you are doing in that case though!
Linux in general and Arch in particular are kinda laissez-faire in that they’ll allow you to shoot yourself in the foot. Some distros may put barriers in your way, others practically hand you the gun, but at the end of the day, the gun is freely available and it’s your own foot that you’re shooting.
Hmm, I wonder if there could be an exploit where Recall is covertly turned on, so it can be used to exfiltrate data. Not a good idea to basically have a surveillance rootkit sitting passively on your system, with no ability to remove it, just waiting to get abused by attackers. But using this proprietary garbage OS nowadays isn’t a good idea in general and there is a much better alternative.
Windows does have its own command-line package manager. I don’t know if it can remove Recall, but last I checked it could remove Cortana. It would just get reinstalled soon after, but that could be prevented with some file-naming trickery. If you give a file the same name as the folder used to have and make it read-only, it couldn’t remake the folder and wouldn’t reinstall.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you can still do that now.
Which one do you mean? Winget which is their newest attempt at creating a package manager that isn’t an absolute piece of garbage, or their crappy CLI for managing MSIX/APPX modules? Because I remember using the latter to try and remove Cortana back when I first tried Windows 10. Fast forward, I removed all the garbage I didn’t need, applied a Windows update, restarted my PC and it was all reinstalled. I wiped that SSD the same day and went back to Linux. This was the last time I used Windows on any of my personal devices.
I’d say you didn’t actually remove the garbage. “Settings, apps, uninstall” doesn’t really get rid of it, the deployment package is still hanging around.
You need to use powershell to de-deploy those packages.
It’s a bit like the difference between “apt remove” and “apt purge”
I was talking about Appx. I haven’t used Windows in a while, but that was how I got rid of Cortana. The key part was the read-only file named after the folder that couldn’t be replaced.
There’s always the Microsoft telemetry blocklist in pihole. If you can’t stop the computer collecting the data, you can stop MS getting hold of it.
Malware developers don’t even need to have their malware running anymore to grab keylogs and screenshots.
Just enable Recall, schedule your malware for a month from now and it doesn’t even have to run anymore.
We can’t uninstall our own keylogger, sorry!
Not use Windows 11 you say? Install Linux you say?!
