Who is surprised?
You guys do know you don’t have to use Windows?
You do know that many millions of people are given laptops/desktops for work that have locks that prevent new OS’s from being installed, right?
Enterprise CAD does not play well with wine sadly(im such with fusion). But i locked that local account windows install away on a second hard drive with default boot to Linux.
Yup. We’re mostly a linux shop at work, but Fusion360 is almost the only thing we keep Windows around for
There’s a lot of talk about switching to Linux (I use Arch, BTW) but for anyone looking for a new computer, macs are going to look real good. Still user friendly, excellent build quality, and Unix core. A Mac mini can be had for about 500 bucks. I’ve got an M2 MacBook Pro from work and I am super happy with it. Limited gaming tho, but I got a steamdeck for that.
Mac is a lot easier to get started with, so absolutely. The downside is that people get pulled into the ecosystem of apple, with specific chargers, keyboards, adapters… Many of my friends use macs and they also start to buy iPhones and other apple gear.
Macs look appealing, but they’re so expensive that I’ve been working with computers for decades but never felt I could afford one. Not a useful one anyway. The power efficiency is attractive but you have to spend so much to get past 8GB RAM and 256GB storage, which is like a PC from 10 years ago. Every time I consider it I end up back with Linux and/or Windows just because of the upfront cost. And because Apple sell to people who are willing to pay high prices, the software, accessories and support for Mac is also more expensive.
I haven’t bought a PC since my X200s ca 2008 so I’m really out of date on hardware prices, but the MacBook is just amazing. For dev / office work even the base one could be enough, swap is so fast you don’t even notice it. I have a 16/512 model and it’s more than enough.
For stationary computing, the Mac mini is awesome, under 1k with the same specs as the MacBook.
Reading MS description of Recall, I am struggling to come up with a scenario where it would be any use. Sounds like the backspace button would work almost as well at a fraction of the resources needed.
Yeah, I feel like any program I would want to use this in already has Ctrl+Z to do just that.
Can anyone think if any use case at all?
As a forensics analyst I can’t wait lol
There’s a smell of it being some pet project of a big architect.
Windows 10 had a feature called ‘Timeline’. It wasn’t particlarly wanted by many people and it cluttered up an otherwise somewhat useful task overview. It was canned.
This seems to be that guy saying “Hey, I know you canned Timeline on me and called it a failure, but that’s just because we didn’t AI it up, and now we can and everyone is going to want it!”
Install Linux, it’s easier, leaner, faster than windows shit, it’s also free, does actual security, and won’t ever spy on you.
Send in the down votes
If only driver support was the same as in Windows, or if windows drivers other than networking ones can be used in Linux.
Does Lemmy not like Linux all of a sudden…?
There are more users now, some are tired of the Linux recommendations in every thread.
They are wrong of course and should just switch. :)
It’s not that, it’s mainly because they’re tired of being browbeaten and having their freewill raped by someone who is basically being just yet another marketer. A marketer that is pushing a free product. To them, it’s just one more obnoxious annoying ad that they have to deal with and block.
We fucking get it, Linux is there, they know. They aren’t switching in the numbers that you’re to meet, mr.free marketer. They just want you to shut the fuck up and leave them alone.
And that automatically puts you in the wrong everytime. So take your pompous attitude and choke on it.
Bit weird to be so angry about this. The commenter is not ‘basically just another marketer’ because they have nothing (financial or otherwise) to gain from others using linux. They genuinely believe it is a better product and it is in your interests to use it.
Direct your anger at Microsoft if you feel as though you are being forced to do anything, they the ones choosing to enshitify Windows, and removing it as a viable option.
When you’re going around on EVERY. SINGLE. MICROSOFT. THREAD. to say “GO ON LINUX! IT MAKES YOU HARD IN YOUR PANTS!” YOU are by and large, being a marketer. Just because you aren’t getting paid for it or aren’t directly affiliated, doesn’t remove that ability that you’re going around advertising for this product.
Bit weird to be so defensive on this and re-purpose what marketing is when you just outlined what marketing is like.
No I won’t direct my anger at Microsoft, don’t you tell me shit. I’m directing my anger at you and the OP because of shit like this with the whole Linux parade that always happens whenever anything is reported about Microsoft.
I would’ve thought that Linux usage going over 1% for once in a long time, would’ve been enough to shut you guys the fuck up. Guess not. Gotta inflate numbers. Gotta promote GROWTH!
So sick of you Linux clowning fanboys parading your free advertising. Bit weird of you to justify that, ain’t it? Bit weird.
Stop raping people’s free choice already, just stop. You don’t see Windows users telling Linux users to go use Windows, do you? No, you don’t.
Loser
Nobody is attacking your free choice, they’re literally trying to give you another option. That’s what free choice is all about.
If you are making an informed devision to remain with windows as it gets worse and worse, then that is up to you, but don’t come at people for trying to offer you an alternative just because you’ve made that decision.
It’s not that, it’s mainly because they’re tired of being browbeaten and having their freewill raped
Ok. Stick with the company that’s forcing recall on you.
Okay, I’ll stick to an OS that currently don’t have that feature and still got a few years left of extensive support. Of which I’ll still be on said OS even if support truly ends, by which comes time to consider upgrading, Microsoft will already be on the next Windows version.
See how your blatant and baseless assumption falls apart? Idiot.
You can probably disable it with a custom install, like Cortana
If I had a dollar for every dork in the comments telling everyone they run Linux…
Then you’d have 0 dollars because they aren’t dorks. They’re nerds and we need more of them. ¯_ (ツ)_/¯
Hey, I’m a geek and I take offense at that.
Don’t worry, we need more of those too. <3
Sure it can, you just uninstall the entire OS and replace it with Linux.
Where’s the windows uninstaller located?!
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:6f1bde857b97b382f8841cdf3a42c530b3f4e34e&dn=archlinux-2024.09.01-x86_64.isoJust boot this Windows uninstaller.
My computer gives this error:
Error - Arch Linux is already installed.
The windows uninstaller is in the Linux ISO.
Didn’t they say the same thing about Internet Explorer, it was part of the OS and can’t be uninstalled or disabled…
Then, antitrust legal action against Microsoft and it turns out they can enable it being removable. Whoops!
If you cant uninstall the software, it isnt your computer. If you tell it to do something and it says no, it is not your computer.
I dont understand why people tolerate anything else. Its maddening.
On Arch you can easily uninstall Linux.
The fun part is that there are even legit reasons to do so, the by far most likely one being that you want to use a different package that provides you with a kernel, such as linux-lts or linux-hardened. Definitely know what you are doing in that case though!
Linux in general and Arch in particular are kinda laissez-faire in that they’ll allow you to shoot yourself in the foot. Some distros may put barriers in your way, others practically hand you the gun, but at the end of the day, the gun is freely available and it’s your own foot that you’re shooting.
Because they make it easy and do a few cool things.
“Do you want a mic in your home that can record everything you say and do and send that data off to wherever the company chooses?”
“No of course not.”
“What about of it will also turn your lights on and off and play despacito on demand?”
“You son of a bitch, sign me up”.
Do you tolerate the TPM/fTPM in your computer? Can you deactivate it? Can you query it? Can you tell it to do something?
I don’t even know what that is
I agree but technology hasn’t really been “ours” for a long time. Rooting, jailbreaking, and open source is the only way to take back a modicum of control.
The day FL studio works natively (potato puter) on Linux is the day I fully switch no questions
You may have a look at bigwig. It isn’t exactly Fruity loops but is also a very suitable DAW and runs native on Linux.
I will take a look but I am addicted to FL piano roll, it’s just… Soooo good
Does your PC have an Intel or AMD CPU? Congrats, you don’t have to worry about Recall. At least for now, it only works on Copilot+ PCs with ARM processors.
That’s nice but Microsoft is a professional goal post mover.
- You can turn it off (a year later option is removed)
- Nothing is uploaded by default (new update turns it on)
They even have users arguing for that the operating system must make money somehow since it’s free now. :)
I did it! I did it over the long weekend. Been using Windows since 3.1 (albeit only switched fully from MSDOS when Windows 2000 came out).
I did a test run on my laptop during time away from home/desktop over the summer, using Linux Mint, to see if I can do work and school on an unfamiliar system exclusively. On Mint I never had to open the terminal and everything worked right out of the box. Cinnamon is very similar to Win10 too. Heck, I can’t even remember the installation procedure, it was so hands off and easy.
After two failed attempts of Arch on the same laptop, I’ve managed to install it with help of archinstaller on my main desktop. No idea what I’m doing, but I got it up and running to a state where I can do both work and school.
FUCK Windows and the constant nag it does everywhere. Good riddance.
Well done. Mint is the gateway drug, perfect for users like you. Progress and attempts with arch are noble though! Glad it didn’t scare you off.
It did! I just checked and I put it (arch) on the back burner for four months.
But yes, Mint and similar easy to install distros are the way to go for someone new for sure. Probably don’t even need to move on from it ever, as long as it works.
Good work getting through arch installer, it can be tricky too. I’ve been on arch for like 10 years and still don’t think anything else is better.
Not everything is as snappy as I’d like it to be yet. Maybe KDE Plasma is not the best for my 12 year old system. Been thinking I should have gone with the zen kernel.
But I’m having tons of fun while discovering it nonetheless.
Plasma needs a decent graphics card so that’s probably why. You can disable a lot of the effects in the control panel though but it may not help.
I guess the fastest desktop is xfce otherwise, it’s so fast that apps launches instantaneously. Reminds me of how fast computers can actually be without eye candy.
You can easily install and try it on arch to see if you like it. Good instructions in arch wiki as usual.
Lol I misread this as you’d been relying on windows 3.1 and never upgraded but that 11 including recall made you switch to Linux. I need to be more thorough in my reading .
That’d be hard core. Alas, I don’t have balls of steel and/or a mushy brain like that.
I bet there’s still someone out there that makes it work somehow.
Lol i don’t doubt it. Some people get fixated and can’t be swayed.
Mint is great.
I use Linux Mint cinnamon on a daily basis, typically with one or two command line terminals open at all times (one normal and one in a docker container), and with some kind of code always open too. I use 4 monitors as well, which the same machine can’t handle when I boot into windows.
No apologies and no regrets. Being user friendly doesn’t mean it’s limited. It uses Ubuntu and Debian stuff after all, just with the controversial Ubuntu stuff removed.
I really love it on my laptop.
The only thing that scared me is its reliance on Ubuntu. I wonder if it can go beyond that some day somehow. Plus I wanted to try something different. I have no idea what I’m talking about btw.
Good choice on Mint.
I have been using Linux exclusively (personal) since 2008, distro hopped for a few years then settled on Ubuntu, until they shot themselves in the foot with 22.04 and the snap debacle; moved to Mint (after trying Pop, MX and a few others).
I have to say a big well done to the Mint devs, it is better than Ubuntu ever was; part of this is newer drivers etc…but it is very polished and it gets out of my way and lets me do my work.
Been working with the various flavors of Windows in a work capacity over the same stretch, in my opinion windows peaked with XP, 7 was ok, and 10 is also ok. But it really has been down hill since XP was retired.
Yeah, XP was pretty good.
After a lot of back and forth between MSDOS/Win98SE (I used to play a lot of QuakeWorld which did not need much), I finally got an AMD Duron 800 around 2000, and someone recommend me Win2k. It was a really stable system, way ahead of its time in terms of user management and services compared to Win98SE and early XP. I think I’ve stayed on it well past it’s final release. I got sucked into WoW in 2008, so definitely had to move on by then.
To be fair, you never forget your first. Amiga workbench for the A500 was some of the best computing…
Yeah, XP was pretty good.
I was a young sysadmin during this era, I don’t know if I agree with this sentiment. It got tolerable by the time of the last service pack, but it was a security nightmare otherwise and didn’t offer much over Win2k.
That said, I’m not a Windows fan in general, but I’d class the following as the “good” ones:
- NT 3.5 (user-mode GDI FTW!)
- Phone 7.0 (this was probably what I’d call the Practically Perfect version of Windows. WP7 is just so good)
- NT 3.1 gets an honourable mention
- 8 (after WP7, this is the first version of Windows that was pretty much stable on day one. Say what you will about the UI, the core was the best Microsoft has ever one; ditto fir Server 2012)
- 10 (8 but with refinement; I’m cautious putting it here because you can see the genesis of the decisions that gave us 11)
- Vista (a lot of what people like about 7 really came from Vista, like the WDDM driver model and the improved security infrastructure; Vista, like NT, came out before hardware was commonly available that could run it)
Anchoring the bottom
- 98 & ME (IE integrated everywhere and the security nightmare it begat deserves a special place in hell)
- 1.0 (you had to be there, but this thing made Atari TOS look sophisticated)
- 95 pre-OSR2 (VxDs, DLLs and a login screen you could bypass with an escape key!)
- NT4 (it wasn’t bad, per se, but I still resent how unstable it was versus 3.5)
- CE and pre-5.0 Mobile (hey, guess what, replacing your battery wipes your device because we didn’t implement persistent storage!)
- 11 (10 without most of the redeeming features, plus an Android launcher for a Start menu. Now with extra spyware!)
A lot of people really like 7 and 2000, but I tend to think of those as polish releases of Vista and NT4. They’re Microsoft eventually fixing their mistakes, after having everyone drag on them for years.
Out of curiosity, what step in the arch install did you have issues with on your first two attempts?
Did mine a few weeks ago. The only part I’m stuck on is OneDrive, which I unfortunately need. I got access to my personal files but not the shared files. The other part is I still need to download all of my mods…which I am not looking forward to 😆 but let me just say it is so nice to have a computer that actually works! It’s older so it was getting impossibly slow.
Between Linux and the new IRS software I am feeling spoiled.
I hope enough companies realize the inherent danger to their IP this feature brings. Or that the government realizes the inherent danger to CUI data and forces there to be an admin level lock of the feature so normal users can’t just turn it on.
I and many others can’t just switch to Linux because we are required to use company laptops/desktops that are admin locked.
I can’t wait until the first breach caused by Recall hits the FCC. It’s definitely gonna happen.
If the US government bitching was enough to get the flight simulator easter egg removed from Excel (allegedly), I can’t imagine a similar stern glare from the Pentagon would not cause Recall to magically turn out to be uninstallable after all. At least from any US government owned computers originally so equipped.
Anyway, isn’t this only going to roll out on “Copilot” compatible PC’s with the requisite AI acceleration chips in them? I would be furthermore immensely surprised if it could not be locked out in Group Policy for corporate customers.
Somewhere, some patent lawyers are going to make millions debating about whether or not this constitutes “public disclosure”.
This is where we say switch to Linux, right?
The problem is like that xkcd comic about experts underestimating the common person’s knowledge in their field. Linux is still not user friendly enough for the vast majority of people. Linux users just don’t seem to understand that most people are in the “wtf is a distro?” level of knowledge and would absolutely panic at the mere sight of a terminal.
They don’t need to know what a distro is, the same way they don’t know the difference between Windows Enterprise, Professional, LTSC, etc.
If it’s not OEM, people like us are going to be the ones installing it for them anyway.
True. Most people wouldn’t know how to install windows. They use it because it’s preinstalled and works. It’s a lot of risk for the average user to attempt an install from media even if it’s well guided. There’s also the roadblock of having media for local backup and the migration of personal data to cloud obfuscating the access to the data even further.
It’s hard enough to get professionals to rtfm.
Yeah but I think most of us have already… We are not many enough to matter though. Microsoft and Google will continue to do what they want with 99% of users.
I’ll switch when Windows 10 is no longer supported. Or just before.
Eh, I switched. I switched all of my lab’s computers, too, and my PhD students have remarked a few different times that Linux is pretty cool. It might snowball.
I don’t think Linux will displace Windows meaningfully any time soon, but I do think people underestimate the fact that most people don’t install their own OSs. They get people like you to do it for them.
