Don’t tell the fascists that the bathrooms in their homes are unisex.
Jesus only used unisex bathrooms.
They quite literally probably have gendered bathrooms in their homes, the way there are “MAN CAVES”.
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I’ve heard the argument that as soon as there is one common bathroom, women will get stalked and raped in there….
Sorry to burst your bubble but if someone wanted to attack you, it’s not a triangle dress on a sign that would have stopped them.
“You’re right! And that’s why we are also outlawing so-called ‘trans women’ from entering them!”
I think we should normalize audio recordings in bathroom I mean it’s a little weird but I don’t really care if someone hears me piss
If you wanted to record restrooms, you could just set the camera eye level at the sinks. Something that physically can’t see into closed stalls(and make the stall wall/doors go from floor to ceiling).
I don’t think either are going to deter assault.
Proper self contained cubicles, then you can just record everything outside of it and you would see anyone going in. The lock should help too.
It can. Mostly because if a person enters wrong bathroom, everyone there will focus on them. With women going into attack mode.
Except that if not there, that person will find another moment. x_x
Do you think these assaults are happening in crowded bathrooms? Or that other women will ignore an assault simply because the bathroom is unisex?
The dude overpowering women and raping them is scared of women? Smooth idea so smooth and shiny you should keep this one.
They aren’t scared of woman. They should be scared of women.
In most cases, an average guy could be taken by as few as 3 average women – that’s a scientific statistic, based on my scientific person science feeling about how many average women it’d take to make me feel physically threatened.
You can throw all sorts of variables in there: is the guy an MMA fighter? Are any of the women fighters? Does anyone have weapons, from rocks or sticks, up to guns? Is one of the women Holly Holmes or Ronda Roussey? What if it’s Dwayne Johnson against Ronda Roussey, Holly Holmes, and Anne Mathis? Heck, I’d pay to see that fight. Dwayne’s not an MMA fighter, but all that mass and muscle is going to count.
Anyway, a reasonable small group of untrained women could fuck up your average untrained guy, especially if the women aren’t holding back; so, yeah, if he isn’t scared of a group of angry women, he’s an idiot, rapist or not.
Lol did you ever see the ninja warrior where they let men and women compete at same time? USWNT vs U15 FC Dallas go ahead and google it. Why do you think there is a womens league, and and weight divisions? What are the differences for male and female military standards? I could go on. Enjoy your fantasy I’m sure it won’t turn out poorly.
Try this one European secret, also no more gaps around the stall doors please.
American stall doors are a crime.
American stalls are a crime
American are a crime
A lot if not most of Europe still uses gendered bathrooms. But yeah, no gaps.
Oh yeah name every European bathroom. Would you say most have an attendant and charge a small fee?
Some people are citing safety concerns at bars, but the whole architecture of public restrooms could be engineered for bar safety. Real doors on stalls and glass doors or walls between the general area and sinks.
There’s a restaurant near me that doesn’t want to do unisex bathrooms because politics. Even though they’re single occupancy.
But if someone is waiting for the gender-specific bathroom, they’ll regularly tell them they can just use the other one.
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Oh you see that at bars all the time. Utterly stupid.
When I was at university in the late 2000s they did that with the university toilets, there was just a row of them off a corridor, all self-contained with a sink in everything, half of them were male and half of them were female, but there was literally no difference. No one ever paid any attention to the signs on the doors. No one ever cared back then.
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Sometimes they’re in the handicap stall.
Most places in England I’ve seen have an accessible toilet (for wheelchair users etc) in addition to male and female blocks, and the baby changing is in the accessible one.
The (admittedly half dead) mall near us has a “family restroom” for people with little kids that has one big room with sinks and changing areas and a separate adjoining small room with one regular toilet and one toddler size toilet. The big room even has a couple curtained off little alcoves with nice armchairs for breastfeeding moms if they want some privacy. It is SUPER convenient with a toddler and I wish they were more common.
I agree but if it makes it awkward for you, then you can also make it awkward for everyone. There’s tons of “mobile” diaper changing equipment available, we had one which you just unfold, had a cover to lie on that was possible to take off separately if something happened.
Then you just find a table anywhere and if anyone complains you can point out the lack of changing tables in men’s toilets.
Stop splitting kids by genitals too. No need to divide people early, it just creates…this.
Republicans are obsessed with genitals. It’s very creepy…
patriarchy enforces itself on boys starting as early as when they’re five (that’s when i was first told boys and girls can’t be friends). the patriarchy supports the types of people who are consistently republican. republicans consistently step in to defend and enforce patriarchy. if you’re familiar with the shit Akademiks got caught doing recently, that’s… that’s how patriarchy enforces itself on boys when they’re 13-16. it’s republicans doing the grooming, and republicans accusing us of grooming. and so we are clear, i am not letting the democrats off the hook here. their tolerance of intolerant philosophies is actively harmful to our survival effectively they groom us to be groomed for our patriarchal roles
How is that patriarchy?
that is patriarchy. it’s really hard to answer the question because the obsession with genitals being what makes our society is patriarchy. not just an aspect of it, but the entire thing. it’s like pointing at an elephant and asking how an elephant is an elephant. i’ll still try to explain best i can though.
so. let’s define patriarchy as being similar to other systems of oppression. capitalism hinges on that the owner class exists in hierarchy over the working classes. colonialism hinges on that races and societies exist in competition and hierarchy. religious fundamentalism hinges on that the religions of the world are at war and that only one religion is true. patriarchy hinges on that men and women are naturally meant to conduct themselves in certain ways and that men exist within hierarchy over women.
as an aside, all of this is fascism. fascism has gone by many different names throughout history. but any society that embraces these attitudes is fascist. america today is fascist. russia is fascist. the ussr was fascist. north korea is fascist. china is fascist. the self proclaimed fascists of the 1930s were, obviously, fascist. but so were the monarchs of the previous millenium, the confederated states of america, and tons of governments that have existed over the last 12000 years (particularly notably the romans and the Carthaginian).
anyway. the thing to understand is that the patriarchy is not for men, nor does it really benefit men. patriarchy ultimately benefits a small cabal of men who take advantage of the power they have within the hierarchy to gain personal comfort. think andrew tate, elon musk, dj akademiks, drake, joe rogan.
i’m out of energy to keep writing. please check out bell hooks in particular. she was a feminist philosopher who wrote the very influential essay “Feminism is for Everyone” which she wrote in the 1980s as powerful men figured out they could discredit feminism and say it was about things it never was by using the word “faminazi”
Have you ever noticed the longer the comment the greater the chance it is dumb or worthless?
I was in favor of unisex bathrooms, but someone pointed out that women are constantly harassed by men and the only safe way to escape unwanted attention is to retreat to a place that men basically cannot enter.
That is, it can be unsafe for a woman to tell a man to leave her alone, or that she’s not interested, or similar. She can go to the bathroom though.
I don’t know if it differs outside of Canada but “unisex” means single occupancy just like a toilet at home. Where TF are unisex bathrooms where both genders collect en masse a thing? That’s just asking for sexual harassment.
In Europe each stall has actual walls and the doors are actually doors. So mixing is fine, because everyone has actual privacy.
I went to an Alamo Drafthouse once with an interesting bathroom set up.
When you walk up to the restroom, there’s a large bay of sinks. To the left is a door that leads to a room of urinals and to the right is a hallway of stalls. Everyone just goes where they need to and since the sinks are out in the open where everyone sees and passes by, there’s more social pressure to wash your hands.
The best, bar none, engendered public restroom I’ve ever seen was less of a restroom and more of an area. It was basically just a hallway coming from a main area in the establishment. The hallway was lined with doors. Each was a “stall” that was just a closet with a toilet. Full hight doors for privacy. At the far end of the hall was a line of sinks to wash your hands afterwards.
Now, do I think this is perfect and cannot be improved? Hell no. It’s pretty flawed, but I’ll tell you that it’s less flawed than what most buildings that are open to the public have… Far less flawed. Gendered bathrooms are weird. IDK why people are so adamant about keeping them. I mean, I don’t have a men’s room and a ladies room at my house, do you?
I’ve never understood the privacy argument. There’s a door for a reason so no one can see anyone in there anyway. Do women not want men watching them wash their hands? I don’t get it.
I get it if they’re your typical stall doors, those things are not great for privacy, but anything more robust than that, I would agree with you.
Yeah, they’re great, I hadn’t seen or heard about those before going to that Alamo. A hallway of stalls is a better phrase for describing it than I used. I did like that the alamo drafthouse had a room for urinals, so you don’t end up with pee all over every street from missed aiming.
They could add a little dispenser of cleaner to the stalls, like they have at bucees. It’s like a soap dispenser at the sink. You squirt it on some toilet paper and can use it to make sure the seat is clean before you sit down.
That dispenser idea is gold.
That should absolutely be a thing.
Bonus tip: If there’s no witnesses around, you can put an official-looking unisex bathroom sign on any stray bathroom. Most people aren’t gonna question it.
That’s great. Unisex bathroom guerilla tactics.
All for it though it’s best done when renovations are possible. Was at a place where they did it with multistall bathrooms and you had to guess which one had urinals.
Edit: of course could also just add a sign saying urinals here.
There should be two restrooms. One with only stalls, one with only urinals. That way we get the efficiency gains of urinals (very important at football stadiums), and nobody has to see a dick if they don’t want to.
I mean, I don’t know who goes to public bathrooms to see dick. I don’t even want to be in there in the first place. Seeing someone else’s bits is pretty low on the list of things I want to see in there, right above shit smeared walls.
At over 50 years old, I don’t think I’ve ever seen another man’s dick in a bathroom.
I’ve seen more dicks in the streets than at urinals.
I’ve been to a handful of old athletic buildings that had trough urinal setups that made having peripheral vision basically a guarantee that you’ll catch a glimpse. A couple others that were circular but I wasn’t sure it wasn’t a sink so I left it alone.
Also improperly supervised kids who are almost tall enough for the urinal and entirely trop trow.Seeing random disinterested anatomy in passing doesn’t hurt anyone, so I don’t get why people get so worked up over it.
Seeing a penis is harmless. Being shown a penis is what can be messed up.In my experience the most common sighting of the men’s dicks in the bathroom is when some 60 year old is wandering around stark naked in the gym changing rooms. I think it’s a requirement past a certain age that you do that.
Hint all these people who are worried are the meat gazers. Same thing with the dudes who want to hang out as “guards”. Go in take a piss/shit then leave. In Europe they have these 4 way open urinals on the street walk up piss sun shining on your head, squirt of hand sanitizer. Back to the pub/work. No chaos ensued society was unaffected.
I dislike urinals.
They’re super good for efficiency though; water, time, and space efficiency. Particularly the modern ones that basically have a one-way fluid valve so they don’t require flushing. It’s unfortunate that not everyone can use them.
Because you have trouble sitting in them?
There should be two restrooms. One with only stalls, one with only urinals. That way we get the efficiency gains of urinals (very important at football stadiums), and nobody has to see a dick if they don’t want to.
Animal shithouses
Ohio deliberately structured their law to prevent this…
As long as there are urinals. No urinals then I’ll piss on the wall.
Except old dudes just use those bathrooms to take dumps all day so it always stinks in there.
Them: Using a toilet for an intended purpose
You: How very dare you 😱
Lol, I really don’t care. I’m a cis gendered dude and I’m completely comfortable using the men’s bathroom. It just defeats the stated purpose to have a 3rd bathroom for people who feel uncomfortable in the other 2.
Side note: for the love of god if you shit at work clean up after yourself. Bring baby wipes if you have to.
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You realize people go to the bathroom to pee and poop, right? Nobody’s slingin’ their dicks around and having sword fights.
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Let me rephrase your question.
Why does a subset of women choose the women’s bathroom, instead of men’s bathroom?
Mhm I don’t know… Maybe… Just maybe… Because they are women? And they want to live their lives as what they are?
Not sure.
But OP wants there to be unisex bathrooms, and the reason for this entire comment thread, and that’s in direct contrast to what you just said, wouldn’t this subset still want there to be women only bathrooms if they want to live their lives as what they are, without having to share the bathroom with men? * edit: not sure
Yeah they would want to live as other women do. They, as women, would do as other women would do and go to the unisex toilet.
There are some unisex toilets, cis and trans women have happily used these toilets.
I am interested in that direct contrast, wanna explain?
Just asking questions, huh?
