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To be fair, we have a former actor and comedian as the president. The difference is he isn’t a fascist piece of human garbage, not so much in the career paths.
I ponder that sometimes. I wonder if a comedian has made such a solid leader because a comedian’s role to society is to speak truths that go unheard, and to make unbearable times bearable. I find myself questioning if every leader shouldn’t be a comedian
Entirely Unironically:
AOC for Pres, Jon Stewart for Vice Pres, 2028.
This campaign would stand a chance at actually winning.
AOC and Stewart are both well known, basically celebrities.
AOC is actually capable of recreating the mix of genuine charisma combined with well articulated, meaningful actual policy points that Obama did in 07.
Jon Stewart is obviously no stranger to politics, and is possibly the literally ideal ‘attack dog’ that the VP usually plays in a campaign, for an anti corporate / billionaire campaign.
Let AOC be as principled and erudite as JFK and Stewart be as cutting and ‘no bullshit’ as Lyndon Jonhson.
…
Are either of them perfect?
No.
Are they basically the best possible options?
Well, Bernie is awesome, but he’s too old.
Absolutely utilize him as much as possible during the campaign, be at every rally, fucking have him be the head of a leftist version of what Elon is, god knows by the time 2028 rolls around, the executive will have formally and informally assumed way too much power.
Put Bernie in charge of purging the Trump/Elon pukes, directing the revokation or countermanding of everyone of Trump’s executive orders, undoing Citizens United, and reassembling the checks and balances.
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Other than that… are any other democrats or leftists anywhere near as well known and widely, generally liked by non fascists? Who aren’t bought and paid for by corpos?
Some surveys seem to support that this direction could have worked. As a German, I supported the course of the Democrats to go with a presidential candidate and policies that democratic conservatives could get behind. About half of the voters in the US want less democracy, more totalitarianism. For a chance to stop Trump, it seemed reasonable just get all supporters of freedom and democracy behind a single candidate. But maybe I was wrong.
I have my doubts that there will be an election in 2028.
About half of the voters in the US want less democracy, more totalitarianism.
Apparently a recent poll said 71% of Trump voters are against cuts to Medicaid and SNAP (food benefits for very poor Americans).
So… that would mean more than 2/3 of Trump voters are astonishingly stupid, ignorant, easily swayed into a cult, as these cuts were very obviously the intent of Trump, and outright stated goals of Project 2025, which was created almost entirely by former Trump administration staff.
… But, that makes sense, as the average adult American literacy level is that of a 5th grader (10yo to 11yo), and 21% of adult Americans are functionally illiterate, with literacy skills at or below a 2nd grade level (7yo to 8yo).
I have my doubts that there will be an election in 2028.
As do I.
Krasnov 2028?
Asteroid YR4 2028.
Redirect! Rebuild!
rofl
About half of the voters in the US want less democracy, more totalitarianism.
I’d say it’s more then half considering the push back I get when I comment about electoral reform. Democrats don’t want to compete with anyone but the republicans. I wonder why…
I think it might be part that and part the fact that the war happened in the first place. Like, before the full scale invasion, he really wasn’t that remarkable. But I guess sometimes hard times do actually make strong men.
Yeah but plenty of leaders have been absolute shit under pressure is kind of my point
Reminds me of this character in Watchmen. Calls himself the Comedian, but never makes “jokes” in a classical sense. He is cruel, overly patriotic, violent against protesters, seems to enjoy massacres in Vietnam. Only one other person understands that he is actually against these things and tries to show them this hyperbolic mirror of their own totalitarian views. But everybody else doesn’t understand it, they take it face value and admire his “patriotism”. He never breaks role until the last moment (or even then just in the movie?).
as i recall the characters who get “the joke” are the comedian, rorschach, ozymandias, and dr manhatten, each of whom respond to the trauma of getting the joke entirely differently. the comedian embraces it, laughs at it, lets it consume him. basically decides “the world is fucked up, i might as well personally have fun.” i don’t recall him ever showing any sympathy towards the world. his terrible actions are ultimately justified by that he is the stand-in for captain america: his violence is government backed. the crucial difference between captain america and the comedian is that captain america represents what america could and should be, a future for us to work towards, whereas the comedian represents what america is, a present for us to move away from. i think that aspect is a very clever piece of writing by alan moore as the time when he was creating the watchmen was very politically different from when jack kirby was creating captain america. i’ve been thinking a lot lately about how incredible jack kirby’s explorations of fascism, militarism, and jewish identity are all through his career. i think alan moore did jack kirby justice in taking a lot of captain america’s tropes and superimposing them onto a fascist. i think jack kirby did an incredible job of showing us the lunacy of nazis in his super villains (something i didn’t give him enough credit for until this year when i saw how these freaks operate when the mask of respectability is removed), but by alan moore’s time, the value of an aspirational symbol for what america could be was diminished as america turned more and more fascist, making super imposing captain america’s tropes onto a fascist felt uncomfortable and upsetting. but also, having now seen trump voters up close and personal, it’s incredibly accurate to the mindset. both jack kirdy and alan moore did an incredible job depicting fascism in the hopes we the people would see their work and grow and change.
unfortunately not enough of us did
Fantastic insight! You obviously know more about the background and similar as well as competing cultural influences. I saw him as someone who knows right from wrong and considers it his duty to do something about it, but being a hyperbolic mirror of patriotism starting to go wrong is his way to help, to give them a chance to finally see the problem.
Now I realise that this might be more like my own personal fan theory.
“But the country’s disintegrating. What’s happened to America? What’s happened to the American dream?”
"It came true. You’re lookin’ at it.”
That was the page I considered posting initially
Thanks for sharing.
One big LOL for the comedian
Al Franken was an amazing senator and I would abso-fucking-loutely support him running for president. On the other hand, Joe Rogan is also considered a comedian 🤮
The last supposedly Ukrainian person I talked to here was very anti Zelenskyy and wanted him to just lay down arms. What’s your opinion on the matter? Do you want your country to keep fighting? Do you qualify for the draft yourself?
Those seem to be quite loaded questions.
I myself would be neither for nor against Zelenskyy, if it was peace time. Normally, there would have been elections last year, so there would be a non zero chance we would have had a different president already, if not for the war. But, since that’s legally not possible right now, here we are, and I’m not about to go protest in the streets demanding to have elections as soon as possible.
That said, I am very much against being occupied and invaded. While also not willing to be drafted myself, since I know I would be quite useless on the battlefield. So the best I can do right now (to help in the war, that is) is to keep donating money for the equipment for our army.
I recognize I’m being hypocritical, since I wish to be protected without having the resolve to enlist myself. But I also recognize that, were I to enlist, my value in actually protecting Ukrainian lives would be very low.
Oh, they weren’t meant as loaded. Thing is there are people claiming that Ukrainians, particularly ones eligible for draft or with family members eligible for draft, would much prefer for Zelenskyy to just give up, and people see him as a dictator.
As someone who isn’t eligible for the draft and doesn’t live in the country it’s easy for me to say I want you guys to keep on fighting for your freedom. I think a lot of us in the Baltics don’t acknowledge it to ourselves that our support for Ukraine is probably also motivated by the fact that we want to see Russia’s military capabilities weakened, not just because we want to see Ukrainians thrive. That’s why it’s also important to ask what you yourselves want.
Given the current state of Ukraine as a going concern, I can’t imagine anyone seriously bragging about their vote for Zelenskyy.
Gave us a good hard look at what the Jon Stewart Presidency would have looked like.
Ah yes, because clearly Zelenskyy is solely to blame for the current state of Ukraine. I guess he’s mind controlling half of the world leaders simultaneously and playing 5D chess with everyone.
One would think you’re his biggest fan the way you’re giving him credit for everything that’s happening in the world.
Idk about blame, he does seem to do the best job I have ever seen though, and also he seems to have morals and empathy, something I have never seen in any politician in a long time
Ah yes, because clearly Zelenskyy is solely to blame for the current state of Ukraine.
Success has a thousand fathers. Failure is an orphan. Obviously, nobody is responsible for Ukraine except the villainous ork monster Vladimir Putin and his tribe of savages.
Zelenskyy certainly didn’t commit to an escalation in the conflict that his country couldn’t handle or trust a bunch of NATO state department officials who were more interested in using Ukraine for weapons testing than inclusion in a European commons. And how could any conscript forced up to the front lines because he couldn’t bribe his commanding officer have anything to complain about in how Zelenskyy’s military leadership has run the war.
One would think you’re his biggest fan
Is there any tyrant I haven’t loved? Muammar Gaddafi? Saddam Hussein? Ruhollah Khomeini? Daniel Ortega? Jacobo Árbenz?
You’d almost think I’m against these horrifying pointless military conflicts on principle.
Seeing as you’re against military conflicts (all of which are pointless and horrifying, on that I agree), maybe that anger should be directed against the person who actually started the full scale invasion. Unless you’re implying that Zelenskyy “escalated” the war by not immediately surrendering to Putin.
maybe that anger should be directed against the person who actually started the full scale invasion
To what end? To further justify another three years of slaughter?
Zelenskyy fucked up by escalating the border conflict with Russia. Putin fucked up by charging into a quagmire. Western Europe piled in to squander billions on slaughter. Ukraine took its pound of flesh through 2022 and had an opportunity to sue for peace, end the conflict, and secure its sovereignty, but backed down when Blinken scuttled the deal. And then we spent the next two years accomplishing nothing but nightmare after nightmare.
At every point, every state actor involved decided the best response to the situation was to double-down. And what did it win them? Americans lost their civil government. Ukraine lost the Donbas and its soveriengty. Russia lost hundreds of thousands of its young people. Germany lost its cheap energy and may lose its liberal governance.
“Maybe blame the guy who started it!” gets you nothing. Its just another excuse to extend the conflict. To double down. To insist we need another year of butchery in Eastern Europe.
End the fucking war. You don’t have to like the guy on the other side of the table to do the right thing.
So… let’s appease the aggressor, yeah? By that logic, every war ever should have ended instantly by the defending side surrendering.
Yes, I’m “blaming the guy who started it” because he’s also the guy who can end it. Putin can literally end the war with one order. But he will not, because he’s not looking for a peace deal. He’s looking for annihilation, and that has been the case since before 2022.
Your victim blaming logic must have required some astonishing mental gymnastics to pull through. It must be quite comforting to live in the world where you can stop wars by just asking the people who are launching missiles at your cities to pretty please stop.
By that logic, every war ever should have ended instantly by the defending side surrendering.
Where would we be if the Germans, the Brits, and the Russians hadn’t stood their ground in 1914? I’m so glad nobody surrendered until 17 million people had been slaughtered. And without that glorious cacophony of violence, who would have so resented their defeat as to kick off WW2 two decades later?
Christ, can you even imagine what kind of hellscape we’d be living in if the 30 Years War had only lasted two weeks? Or the Seven Years War hadn’t burned down half of French Canada? Or the French had bowed out of Vietnam gracefully rather than handing the baton to the Japanese and then the Americans over the next fifty years? What kind of nightmare would we live in if the KMT and the Imperial Japanese hadn’t torn Korea to shreds?
You’re so fucking right. What we need is more wars! Qatar and Saudi Arabia should start bombing each other. Iran and Israel need to open fire. How long can the good people along the US/Mexico border endure this agonizing peace?
Your victim blaming logic must have required some astonishing mental gymnastics
Its so incredibly simple to say “Stop killing people”. Sue for peace at the first opportunity. End the violence as soon as possible. Quit building all these fucking war machines to begin with, while you’re at it. The logic is so straightforward and crystal clear. Go back to 2021 and negotiate a ceasefire on day one. The peace dividends alone will pay for whatever wrongs you feel one side or the other have inflicted.
If we traveled back in time 10 years and started showing people these headlines, they’d put us in a mental hospital.
a large portion of the electorate doesn’t choose anything. they do what their televisions command them. who controls the targeted messaging platforms which have been poisoning people’s minds? they are the real enemies of The People.
Nevermind the consequences of gerrymandering, targeted disenfranchisement, and winner take all electioneering.
Trump won the GOP primary in 2016 in no small part because our electoral system rewards name recognition over policy or popular support.
You either submit to media manipulation or you are statistically removed from the voting rolls.
they should call him PUS instead of POTUS.
Putin’s under study?
PoS
That’s also a cryptocurrency term, so it kinda fits.
Cryptocurrency is more of his boss’ thing.
Many of them are the same people who think a podcast made by the former host of Fear Factor is informed and intellectual.
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You posted this same response on 3 different communities. You must be a great conversationalist.
Can’t wait for the conspiracy theory that Hitler is alive to turn out to be true, and he just comes out of hiding, thanks Trump, and takes over.
“Mein Führer, fascism has taken over the United States government!”
“Excellent news! And who is the strong Aryan superman who leads them?”
Hitler is shown everything about Donald Trump
meh, they’d bond over their love of meth.
Hitler didn’t dodge the draft.
EDIT: Wtf, Trump’s got me defending Hitler :/
And Ford knew how to make a engine in his kitchen sink. Think Musk has ever wound the coils on a motor? They don’t make fascists like they use to.
As much as Trump would like to, that dumb fuck bitch would be 136 by now. That fucker is long dead, even if he did fake his suicide.
Knowing the “muh meritocracy” type of people:
They see white skin color as a sign of competency, they see being male as a sign of competency, they see constant smiling as a sign of competency, they see wearing suits as a sign of competency, they see confidence as a sign of competency.
I have very little time for people who try to blame voters for a fascist coup engineered by US and russian elites.
I don’t know man, that shit (fascism) was out in the OPEN since at least Jan 6.
Fascism is a disease that humans are unfortunately susceptible to, especially when deprived of resources and education.
I would no more blame trump voters enmasse than I would blame the addicts huddled under bridges for the horrors of the drug trade.
The people to blame are those benefiting by exploiting the weaknesses of the human animal that make the lies of fascism seem appealing.
I don’t recognize the need to identify the people to blame. There are multiple parties with various degrees of culpability. Yes, the primary blame lies with people who orchestrated the exploitation. But blame also lies with those who fell for such and obvious grift, and those who didn’t vote, and those who voted third party out of protest.
Concentrating all blame on one party without nuance is exactly the tribalist nonsense that powers fascism.
Since you are so concerned about 3rd party voters, surely you are working to do away with First Past The Post voting in your state so people can vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect.
How is the effort to pass electoral reform going in your state?
If you’re still unsure about changing the voting system and expanding democracy instead of suppressing it, I will leave you a bunch of videos to help you make up your mind. I’m sure you support democracy and will see that this is the way forward. Not forcing people to vote for your preference, which is not democracy.
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
Since you are so concerned about 3rd party voters, surely you are working to do away with First Past The Post voting in your state so people can vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect.
That’s the hope, yeah. I’m all for voting third party in a system where it actually makes sense to do so, we’re just not there yet.
How is the effort to pass electoral reform going in your state?
Extremely poorly, unfortunately.
You know, if there is a war against the nazis, and we win, I will straight up go AWOL in order to brutally execute these nazis. I will not let a single one get away this time, no more deals, no more mercy.
Yeah the state has been supporting genocide for like 1.5 years. It’s almost like fascism is a fundamental part of this evil empire and not just a “one party” problem.
The power of media saturation can’t be understated. Bezos owns the WaPo, Musk owns Twitter, Gates owns NBC, the Murdochs and the Coors Family and The Kochs and the Sinclairs have a strangle hold on local news.
Literally where do you go to get serious journalism in an age where WikiLeaks is a criminal enterprise and The Espionage Act has been invoked against more journalists in the last fifteen years than the prior fifty.
Blaming voters in an era of industrial misinformation seems wildly misguided. You have people utterly saturated in war propaganda and blood libel. Even the liberals don’t know who to support anymore.
blood libel.
Can you give some examples from the media that you mentioned?
I want Pete to go on a 24hr stream and not drink alcohol. Show us you don’t have withdrawal syndrome you sick bastard. Prove to us you are not addicted bro.
Not “elected” once, but twice.
no tears for warcriminals
What warcrimes has she committed?
She has joined the US military, no matter what function or personal actions she is part of a terrorist organisation that has murdered millions of innocent civilians.
death to Amerikkka!!!
Firing imperial Navy commanders is a good thing
So its the rebel Navy commanders we want to keep?
Yes the Yemeni commanders are the good ones
Now she is
Imagine believing the military is the “best people”. Libs worshiping imperialism/genocide/MIC is half of the fascist problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
We still have a genocidal leader, it ain’t gonna change just because of a new president. What kind of a make belief world are you trying to paint for yourself.
Correction, we have a much more genocidal leader.
🤡
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I’ll take the bait. Why?
She is a terrorist in the worlds largest terror organization which kills the most amount of civilians worldwide by a large margin.
And firing her specifically will fix this problem how?
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Destroyers were classically ships that defended a larger group. They would fight submarines and other ship to ship threats in order to leave cruisers and aircraft carriers to their work.
Destroyer was not, in it’s original meaning, focused on ship to land bombardment (that’s only part of the current generation because technology shrunk enough and nobody wants to spend a shitton of money on big boats anymore except the US)
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If a terror group starts firing people to replace them with nepotistic appointments that means the organisation becomes less capable.
The commenter said “deserved” but what this woman really deserves is jail.
People don’t normally view serving in their country’s military as a war crime. By your standards 99% of anyone is who has ever been in any modern military should probably be in jail, and that’s not going to happen so why stress your little head about it.
“They are committing massive war crimes but they do not see it as a crime. Thus it does not count.”
By your standards ISIS and IDF soldiers don’t deserve to go to jail either.
No, reread my message. What I said is that Israel isn’t imprisoning members of the IDF and never will, so why worry your little head over it.
Meh, she was a willing member of a brutal organisation that terrorized multiple countries in wars of aggression. If you have more reverence for her then for, say, a Russian naval officer, then you don’t have principles, you just have rump nationalism.
edit: damn, didn’t realize there were so many fans of the Russian navy here.
I mean, certainly more than a news reporter.
