and the options are sugar, sugar, sugar, sugar, or water
And diet sugar
To be fair, the alcoholic menu us typically like this too. 95% of the menu is beer, wine, or vodka and some kind of syrup.
^ This. Diet Coke/Pepsi if you’re LUCKY. Otherwise, water.
Do you people’s restaurants not serve iced tea?
In some states iced tea would also be full of sugar. And “hot tea” is a dry teabag next to a cup of warmish water.
I have been all over the continental United States of America, except California, Washington, Arizona, Nevada, and that other state up there between California and Washington that I always think is Vermont, driving a truck and have literally never been to a place that had sweet tea but not unsweet.
I’ve seen a few the other way around, but that was in New England, about as far from sweet tea culture as you can get.
Maybe a gas station or a fast food joint that use the syrups instead of brewed, but you don’t want to drink that shit
I live in GA, where if you order tea it will be defaulted to sweet tea. However, I have never seen a place that doesn’t have unsweet - you just have to order it that way.
The trick is “Unsweetened Ice Tea”, which not everyone has. :(
I mean, I just annoyed that milk isn’t even an option in a lot of restaurants. It’s something so basic, like.
actually milk is slightly acidic
jk
Sorry, the milk is for the kids’ menu. You can’t order from that.
Check the menu for items that require milk as an ingredient. You might be able to order a glass even if it isn’t on the menu.
Like milksteak?
Like anything with a bechamel-based sauce or gravy, or custard/pudding/flan, or pancakes, etc.
Unless you are at an extremely expensive or extremely small restaurant, their sauces come premade in a bag from Cisco.
I’ve been in plenty where you could just order milk. 🤷
Though usually those are chain restaurants that prioritize breakfast, might be why.
Are you a cat?
Yes.
Despite what Lucille Bluth believes, vodka doesn’t bad in a few days after opening bottle. Milk goes bad quickly.
They usually have the milk on hand for cooking, or just the kids menu. If my family of 4 can easily go through 2 gallons a week, I can’t imagine a resteraunt having problems using up milk before it goes bad unless they over-purchase
If the restaurant has a kids menu, it also has milk.
I like how the small fraction of adults that drink milk are downvoting you for actually giving helpful advice. Lol
This annoys me so badly.
I don’t drink carbonated beverages, so when I go into a place and don’t want beer then my options are basically coffee or water.
Fine in the mornings, but I don’t want a coffee at 5PM. So I guess it’s just water then huh
i’m a hydrohomie, i would be/am more than fine with that.
Afaik, the only other options besides what you listed for beverages anywhere is milk, coffee and tea. And depending where you get them, the coffee and tea may as well just be sugar (or aspartame) too.
Well, coming from a tropical country to the US was a disappointment there. I used to be able to get a variety of freshly squeezed juices almost anywhere, and the only thing they serve around here are bottled OJ’s that barely taste like orange. It’s not even like there’s a limited variety at the grocery store, it’s just not a thing…
Most juice has a lot of sugar. The ones that don’t don’t generally taste that good.
But bottle OJ tasting like shit is a real thing, they have to do so much to it to get it to last for more than a week on the shelf that all the flavor is sucked out of it.
idk, I make them at home with no sugar and it’s pretty good. But I guess expecting the sweet stuff plays a factor on your perception.
Yeah no added sugar. The juice generally contains enough sugar on it’s own. Fruit juice is about as nutritious as a soda. You’re taking the sweet part of the fruit and leaving behind the fiber and other nutrients.
Fruit juice is about as nutritious as a soda
Not even close. Different kinds of sugar, preservatives, and vitamins all have vastly different ratios.
Different kinds of sugar are all sugar when they get to your gut. Anything beyond “the body treats this like sugar” is just a pissing contest.
When you juice something, you’re leaving 95% of the nutrients in the fruit, extracting the sugar water, and telling yourself you’re drinking healthy. That’s just not the case. The meat of the fruit is where that stuff is at. The fact that some of it makes it in to the juice is incidental. It would be better to drink a glass of water and eat the orange, than to juice the orange. Unless you then throw the juice away and just eat what’s left of the orange. That’s probably the best thing.
Even 100% freshly juiced fruit juice with no additives is a sugar bomb.
different kinds of sugar
Fructose isn’t good for you, either.
Sugar is sugar.
It really doesn’t matter if it’s naturally occurring or added after the fact. It’s sugar.
Debating what kinds of sugar are better for you is kind of like debating which landmine is better to step on.
Don’t get me wrong, the occasional sugary beverage is fine. But juice is never going to be good for you. Even arguably.
You’re trading HFCS for plain old sugar. Most fruits are approximately 50/50 fructose and glucose, while HFCS is between 42% and 55% fructose, with the balance being glucose.
Chemically and biologically, they are basically the same.
Juice is still pretty sugary, even fresh squeezed. They naturally have sugars in them which is why they are sweet. While a lot of premade juice also includes added sugars. There was a study posted somewhere on Lemmy not too long ago that showed most American’s sugar intake came from fruit juices and not sodas as previously thought.
Don’t forget fake sugar. And most of that “sugar” is actually corn we tricked into tasting like sugar.
I honestly hope you are making some attempt at a joke, and I’m just failing to get it…
I think it’s a high fructose corn syrup joke, but that’s more like squeezing all the sugar out of a cob of corn and pretending it’s juice concentrate in my mind.
I feel like this joke would have landed better 5, or maybe even 3 years ago. Every even remotely fancy restaurant I go into has jumped on the mocktail bandwagon and offers plenty of options for people avoiding alcohol.
Of course they do. They sell them equally expensive without the expensive ingredients!
Really? They’re kind a third of the price here.
Not everyone does it. Shady places charge equal price for virgin cocktails.
You are paying for way more than the sum of the parts when you order a cocktail, I’m not really sure why you’d suddenly be concerned about doing so when it comes to a mocktail.
Even then, it’s not really accurate anyway. A cocktail is a bunch of ingredients mixes together. You can usually get them without the alcohol if you ask for it (obviously this doesn’t work for every drink). They list of cocktails is so large because there’s a lot of ways to combine a few ingredients to make different things. They don’t actually stock that many types of drinks or anything. They’re made on demends, and can usually be modified if you ask.
Cocktails without alcohol cost way too much for what they are. That would be like paying 15 bucks for a burger without meat.
Restaurants sometimes also have like dozens of types of beer, wine, etc. but the best non-alcoholic they can do is a water or a coca cola softdrink?
If you can remove the alcohol from any “cocktail” and still have more than just flavored ice or a dirty glass, you were drinking slightly alcoholic mocktails the whole time.
Old Fashioned mocktail is a cherry on top of a large ice cube that you’ve used to bludgeon some sugar and an orange.
A Sazerac mocktail is akin to an empty glass someone just drink a sweet lemony drink from. You don’t get the lemony drink, just the dirty glass.
A margarita mocktail is salty lime flavored ice. This is basically a daquiri mocktail too, adding a strawberry seems popular.
A Manhattan mocktail is a sweetened cherry in an otherwise empty glass.
A mojito mocktail is a bit more substantial, minty sugar water with a hint of lime.
A mint julep mocktail, again just minty sugar water.
A white Russian mocktail is just a glass of cream over ice.
A mimosa mocktail is just a nearly empty glass of orange juice.
The non-alcoholic parts of a cocktail are rarely more than a quarter of the volume if they’re made properly. Most cocktails are a half oz of sugar water and a citrus flavor. The other 2/3 of the volume (not counting the ice) is alcohol. Just order a soda, soda water (with or without a garnish), tea, or my favorite a Topo Chico and lime.
One virgin martini please. Stirred.
handed cool glass with three olives in it
Thank you, kind sir!
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At least in North America. I get the sense Europe still thinks drinking is cool across the board.
Some this has to do with shelf life. Beverages containing alcohol have a long shelf life. A restaurant is not going to take losses on having 50 kinds of juice or whatever on hand. Another angle to this is that a lot of the drinks on the alcoholic menu are cocktails, so just combinations of other shit they have. Finally, what adult is just drinking milk? Have some water, it is good for you.
Is this coming from experience or are you just kind of guessing? There are plenty of cocktails that use non-shelf stable stuff that you can get anywhere. On top of that, the new movement towards providing non-alcoholic drinks on the menu just reuses these same ingredients in different ways.
I’ve worked on both sides of the house for 14 years and I’m in management now. The issue is once you open products, not when they’re sitting there. Sitting there is also an issue, however, as stock that doesn’t move still incurs costs. I work on the institutional side now and we only provide nonalcoholic beverages, but they are either single serve or cheap bulk prep. These are not what people are expecting at a restaurant. Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.
Many items in cocktails also have long shelf lives after opening or are cheap/move quickly.
This is why I think we see variations on actual cocktails so much…you have it, it’s open, so move it.
Exactly. It’s like having a breakfast only restaurant. You can make a menu of 50 entrees by combining 8 main ingredients with various cooking methods and spices.
that’s Taco Bell and they’ve been doing it for a long time
Lots of diners, too. That’s why they tend to be the restaurants that are around for 67 years, lol.
With having IBD I’m pretty much limited to water or milk. I’m absolutely going to drink milk when I can because I get fed up drinking water multiple times a day every fucking day.
I guess, I primarily drink water. I’m not restricted in the same way, but I’m an innate fat fuck, so water is my drink of choice. I’m surprised milk wouldn’t inflame IBD.
Hydrohomies tho
The milk is for parents.
I just like having milk with every meal. I don’t like water and having dinner with a fizzy drink is just wrong.
What do you mean you dont like water? You mean that liquid that makes you die if you dont have any for a couple days?
Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross.
Milk is absolutely disgusting during a meal since it gets so warm and gross
Historically, milk was generally consumed warm. Breasts aren’t kegerators.
Historically it was only consumed by babies too.
Evidence suggests those that can tolerate lactose as adults are descended from farmers who drank milk to survive during seasons of bad yields.
Milk is full of great vitamins and minerals. I haven’t verified this claim but I heard someone say recently a person can entirely meet their entire nutritional needs on purely milk and potatoes, which doesn’t sound super pleasant to have as a diet, it’s certainly an easy baseline to meet
Sounds plausible. The main thing peds worry about for toddlers primarily subsisting off milk is iron deficiency. Potatoes have iron and vitamin c.
Milk is absolutely delightful with greasy foods. When are you supposed to drink it if not with meals?
Milk is disgusting with all foods, or by itself
Your taste buds are defective buddy
Nope. I don’t eat chalk either
I hate milk. I use oat milk with my coffee and that is it
No it doesn’t. Milk can stay cold for ages. Like I would have any meal gone within 10 minutes.
Consuming a meal in less than ten minutes is really not indicative of healthy eating habits.
Uh why? I eat most of my meals in about that amount of time when I eat by myself. like how long does it take to eat a fuckin sandwich lmao, or a bowl of pasta? And I don’t have any eating disorders, I’m not at an unhealthy weight. I just … eat.
Respectfully, what the fuck?!
Not judging you on your milk drinking, but drinking too much milk can have serious side effects. Humans weren’t biologically made to drink milk their whole lives.
They weren’t biologically made to drink alcohol or eat big macs their whole lives either yet here you are.
Yeah, this is a hella weird comment in an alcohol thread. That stuff is actually toxic, and popular mainly because of it.
What’s with Lemmy’s obsession with water? Most people know that water is the best thing to drink but this site is preachy as fuck about it.
The hydrohomies are all grown up, I guess?
I haven’t actually seen that.
Everyone knows alcohol is poison. Not many people know the side effects of drinking too much milk. You could actually become addicted to it and it would become a problem. I had a friend who had some trouble with it, which is why I typed that comment.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re actually correct. My grandfather was told by his doctor not to drink so much milk. He drank at least 3 glasses a day. I forget why but if you’re telling an 85 yo to stop doing something as a doctor, it probably has some bad short-term effects
Source? Addictive milk is kind of “out of left field” for me.
I don’t know how true this is, but I pulled this quote:
Indeed, the results suggest that milk is more addictive than cigarettes.
Very true, yet lactose intolerance is quite common among humans.
What’s a milk drinker like you doing out here? Go home to your mother.
Sorry, my mom’s busy banging YO MAMMA!
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Wait
https://www.licor43.com/cocktails/blanco-43/
It’s great. Order it virgin for just milk.
This is not a very common cocktail at least in my area, so I’m sure most servers/ bartenders would have to google this. I can imagine the look on their face when they realized you actually ordered a glass of milk.
Yea, you heard. Order it, virgin!
I usually order mine extra fucked tbf.
The worst is when mocktails cost as much as cocktails. Like a non alcoholic whiskey sour will be $13, Shirley Temples are like $10
At least from my experience in NYC
What if I told you that you aren’t paying for the drinks but you’re renting the table/bar stool
jokes on them, i’m just going to get water or fucking leave, i’m not paying 10 bucks for a beverage when you can buy soda at the store for 1$ per liter.
You wouldn’t be at the bar in the first place and if you were they’d want you to leave.
I’ve never order a mixed drink in my life. Got some flasks in college and will still take that and have a soda instead. With beers being $7 minimum I’m also starting to just slam a >9% IPA before going in and having water.
Margarita with tequila? $12. Margarita without tequila? $12.
Even worse now is the non-alcoholic spirits you can buy that legit cost as much as the original alcoholic version, and then they use that in a cocktail.
Yes it Does taste just like the proper cocktail but your kinda missing half the point of the drink…
There’s the trend of restaurants having “mocktails”, which is cool, but they often charge for them based on their price for alcoholic beverages. I don’t really want a special lemonade for $14.
be me: go to restaurant => ouch ouch why is everything overpriced =< lol kek its 1 am and im drunk rn but the alcohol in coctails is not worth nearly 14 bucks you bellend
me: i’d like a glass of milk
them: sorry that’s only on the kids menu
me: you mean you can’t pour me a glass of milk unless i order from a special menu? what if i wanted coffee
them: oh then we can bring you milk
me: ok then i’ll order a coffee and just have the milk
them: sorry can’t do that.
My friend ordered an omelette without the eggs before, and it worked. A server wouldn’t sell me a double shot of Jager because it was “too much alcohol” but had no problem selling me two single shots at once.
All depends on how accommodating your server is.
Double shots are illegal to serve in a fair number of places, so I am betting that is the case.
In Texas you can’t buy a pitcher of beer if you’re by yourself
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I’ve never had that problem. I basically always order milk anytime I eat out. Sometimes they only give me a kids portion or even a kids cup (it was extra funny when my wife ordered it for me and I was away from the table changing a diaper while visiting family), but usually I get a full glass of milk
You don’t like water?
Best beverage ever. Personally I couldn’t live without it
Yeah and almost any other drink contains water, what an effin’ rip-off!
/s
That is why I only drink pure vegetable oil.
Milk is for babies. When you grow up you have to drink beer.
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Milk? Is this one of the McPoyles???
Gotta keep the bloodline pure
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It’s about money. People are okay paying way higher margins for alcoholic drinks. They want you drinking alcohol for profits and the inebriating effect makes you more likely to spend loosely.
soft drinks have huge profit margins and take no server time to prepare
And so your options are alcohol, soft drinks (coke or pepsi branded exclusively), or water
You forgot tea
You think restaurants take worker’s labor into consideration when making profitability choices? Look what servers are paid, they clearly don’t value their labor.
EDIT: I was being dramatic to prove a point. Restaurants run skeleton crews all the time to push profitability. Obviously they give it some consideration, but it’s rarely for the workers well being.
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Lol, this is especially the case when it’s my turn to be the designated driver in the group 🤣
At least I’ll stay hydrated! Hydrohomies for life!
I myself was a water bro first, only recently a hydrohomie.
Adults: Look at these tiktok kids eating tide pods!
Also adults: Waiter please pour me a glass of your finest toxin!
Ah, but it’s a very old pool of toxin, cooked over rotten plant matter from a swamp and aged in an obsolete form of container, and it made them significantly poorer to order it! /s
In my experience, it’s usually the same length or alcoholic ones get almost a page long. Though I did go to one where the non-alcoholic options consisted solely of sodas, shame.
The restaurants/hotels I eat at usually have green tea.
