Because you now did it to yourself.
Well the entire multiplatform astroturfing campaign from people who call themselves leftists worked! Democrats stayed home instead of voting.
Now Palestine will be completely flattened with 0 resistance at all, and redoubled support and bombs for Israel! Way to go! You really showed your support for Palestine by helping this happen!
They will probably come back saying “it wasn’t our fault, we just pointed out the truth” while they shouted that a vote for Harris was a vote for genocide [so don’t vote for harris] from every platform that they used.
So fucking predictable.
Remember when Biden stepped down? Do you remember how unpopular he was and the massive wave of hope and support for Kamala that showed itself? Well, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen when Kamala glued herself to Biden, and tried to appeal to center right voters? They refuse to make compromises with the left, try to appeal to the center-right, and then blame the left for not voting for them; classic center/lib playbook, the same thing happens in Portugal, same thing happened in 2016 USA elections.
I thought that Democrats would win DESPITE the absolute dog shit campaign, given everything about Trump, but it was still an absolute dog shit campaign by people who claimed this was the most important election of people’s lives, but then dug their hills in ideologically and refused to compromise with people on their left.
If the situation wasn’t so dire, it would be hilarious to see the double think by Dem voters in this thread:
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“How can Rep voters not hold Trump accountable despite everything he’s done!”
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“It’s not the Dems fault that they lost, despite trying to appeal to the center-right instead of the left; it’s never their fault! It’s the leftists fault for not voting Dem! Kamala did nothing wrong!”
Well, what the fuck did you think was gonna happen when Kamala glued herself to Biden, and tried to appeal to center right voters? They refuse to make compromises with the left, try to appeal to the center-right, and then blame the left for not voting for them; classic center/lib playbook, the same thing happens in Portugal, same thing happened in 2016 USA elections.
The thing is, I strongly agree with you AND the person you replied to because although I’ve been agape at watching Kamala sprint away from the left from essentially the moment her candidacy was announced, and I think Democrat leadership is FAR too in the pocket of corporate interests, and far too welcoming of Republicans, she’s still so very obviously a better choice than Trump that I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this. I’d have thought that women alone would have pushed Kamala over the top due to the whole Roe v. Wade thing.
In summary - all my grumpiness at the DNC and Kamala for ignoring the left again was still miles short of what would have propelled me to vote for Trump or enable a Trump win.
Same, the difference is i knew that distinction wouldnt bring people out. If you, I’m assuming, a committed voter were reluctant about voting for harris despite everything. What does that mean for people who are fairly indifferent to voting? 😞😭😞😭😞😭
Oh I wasn’t reluctant, there was never any doubt. I just wasn’t happy. But the thing is - the things I was unhappy about don’t matter to the folks who don’t really follow politics. Whatever their reasons were, they weren’t my reasons.
The point is that willingness to vote, dislike of Trump, the strenght of ones principle, even political awareness and other similar things are scales, not just absolutes.
Some people will always vote, some never, others can be convinced or convince themselves with different levels of inducement (be it fear or enthusiasm).
Ditto for dislike of Trump - people are all over from love him to hate him and everything in between.
As for principles, well, some people are inflexible no mater what, most are somewhere in the middle being capable of breaking certain principles in certain conditions and other have a Groucho Marx take on them (“These are my principles. If you don’t like them, well, I have others.”)
And ditto for political awareness: just because all you see and hear is the very politically aware types talking about politics because they’re loudly political, doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot people who think, for example, that “it’s all a show and my vote makes no difference so why should I care?”
Just because you, being at a specific point of those various scales, are very politically aware and could easily be cowed by fear of Trump whom (I assume) you detest to vote Democrat even if they were actively going against your principles (assuming one of them is “people shouldn’t be killed due to their race”), doesn’t mean that many others at different points of those scales ended up not voting for Harris when they could otherwise have voted Democrat if it wasn’t for her making choices that went against their strongly held principles or her campaign strategy of fear rather than hope didn’t work on them because they have mixed feelings about Trump so don’t fear him or think their “my vote makes no difference - they’re all bullshitters who don’t do what they say” so don’t see the point in voting for the other guys because Trump is Bad.
Harris’ actions and campaign strategy did capture the votes of people like you even if you had to hold your nose (which they couldn’t care less about) to vote Harris, but those choices of them stopped from voting Harris plenty of people who sit elsewhere in these scales and would otherwise vote Democrat.
Clealy had she chosen differently she would’ve captured the votes of people not quite at your end of those various scales but by all indications the positions she assumed and campaign strategy moved the peak appeal points in those various scales in such away that it dropped a lot more votes (mainly on the Left, Highly Principled and Distrusting of Politics sides) than the ones it gained from appealing to the other side (mainly Rightwing, Party fanatics and unprincipled or even supporting of the Israeli Genocide).
The Democrat loss is not the fault of voters for being who they are, it’s the fault of the Democrats for chosing a strategy of using the fear of Trump to retain votes whilst breaking some pretty strong principles of many people with their support for mass murderers of children, and not fixing certain things during the years they were in power and then last minute announcing measures for it (which is really not going to convince the people more distrusting of politicians to go out and vote).
Here, Here.
In summary - all my grumpiness at the DNC and Kamala for ignoring the left again was still miles short of what would have propelled me to vote for Trump or enable a Trump win.
Yeah, as I said, even I though Kamala would win despite everything because Trump is… well, Trump, and I honestly did not think anywhere near this many people would vote for him again. If yesterday someone had told me he was going to win the popular vote, I would not have come anywhere close to believing them. It’s extremely depressing to see how many people still choose to vote for Trump and back him after everything he has done and said he was gonna do.
I find it very odd you thought that. The people who voted for him are primarily the people who voted for him in 2020. no? similar level of votes. the indifferent souls didn’t turn out this time because democrats did democrat things.
Well, Jan 6 happened after the 2020 elections, and Trump has got nuttier and more openly extreme. His rallies and speeches this year leading up to the elections have been on a different level. I though more republications would be rethinking their choice to back him at this point, enough that Kamala could win despite a poor performance. Unfortunately, I was very wrong about that.
Jan 6th was done by his base. oi. humbaba… I’d give you a hug if i could. I just wish the democrats hadnt been so willing to throw their supporters under the bus chasing phantoms.
Drag doesn’t care what your excuse is.
My excuse? Firstly, I’m from Europe, I can’t vote in American elections; secondly, I’m replying to people making excuses for why Kamala lost, perhaps you should direct your comment at them.
The ones who need to excuse themselves, in order, are: Republicans; their voters; and finally the Dems for not having primaries (twice), not running a winnable campaign, and trying to appeal to the center-right.
Drag doesn’t mean your excuse for not voting. Drag means your excuse for justifying other people’s decision not to vote. They elected a fascist and you’re defending them. There is no excuse.
Blame the Democratic Party for not winning their vote in “the most important election of our lifetimes” and instead trying to appeal to the center right.
To sort of reiterate the point in my original comment, let me ask you two questions. You don’t have to give me the answers, but at least ponder them internally:
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What’s your opinion on people who voted for Trump despite everything he’s done, and try to blame all their problems on immigrants and leftists?
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Why do you refuse to hold the Dems accountable for their campaign and the policies they run on, and keep trying to throw the blame on other people?
Blame isn’t finite resource. Blame is infinite. Harris deserves all the blame. The voters also deserve all the blame. And people like you who demotivated the voters also deserve all the blame. You are all 100% responsible. And drag still doesn’t care about any of the excuses you’ve continued to give.
And people like you who demotivated the voters also deserve all the blame.
When you make assumptions, you make an ass of you and me both. Here’s the last comment I made on the electoral race, July 25th, after Biden stepped down.
I agree with you, but Kamala will probably still be the most left leaning president the USA ever had by quite a bit (AFAIK), and has a good chance to start shifting the Overton Window; if only by showing the Democratic Party that choosing more left leaning candidates actually gives them better chances of winning.
Since then, I haven’t said anything about it. But sure, if it makes you feel better, just keep on throwing blame everywhere except where it lies, like a monkey throwing feces everywhere. I don’t have to excuse anything.
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You’ll probably be permabanned from the instance for saying this but obvious pro trump trolls will get a comment deleted once a day so it all balances out /s
Their instance is feddit.nl, I think they’re gucci.
Yall will never hold the democrats accountable for anything and it’s embarrassing
Trump also promised to talk with Russia about solving the Ukraine problem, wanna bet that Russia just keeps going west? :D
Well the entire multiplatform astroturfing campaign from people who call themselves leftists worked! Democrats stayed home instead of voting.
Yup. I spent the last month or so tagging them, and I have not seen a single one today.
Look around. Technocrit is already trying to ragebait, TheOubliette was gloating in another thread, and a bunch of other .ml shitheads are showing up to this thread now. Fucking disgusting, deplorable individuals.
Women: he told you he’s taking your rights away and is already letting you die in hospital waiting rooms
Tradesman: he told you overtime and unions are gone
Veterans: he told you he hates you, pissed all over the sanctity of Arlington and is gutting the VA
Hispanics: he told you you and yours are getting deported and doesn’t care if you’re legal or not
Those on social security, Medicare, Medicaid or ACA: he told you he’s cutting/gutting these
Anyone with ties to Palestine: he told you he’s going to help Israel finish the job
The one silver lining is that Trump voters are about to face reality in a way would never otherwise have to deal with. I really wish that took the edge off, but it really doesn’t. The impacts of this election will be horrific to everyone, even those who will profit in the short term from the graft and corruption.
They’ll still blame it on literally everyone else.
Even when their daughter has an ectopic pregnancy and they can’t find help.
Schadenfreude is all we have left for the next four years.
If we’re lucky, that is.
None of that is going to happen to me cause I’m one of the good ones. /s
😳 Are you out of your mind? Where in the world did you hear these things from? Lord, i mean if ANY of that were true; id be right there with ya. But those are the most left-field claims Ive ever heard and are not based on reality.
Those are all real. Which one are you having a hard time finding, I’m sure people can point you in the direction.
Put on top of that, if anyone changes their minds down the road, he told us he would use the military against his political opponents.
It’s telling that you haven’t replied to a single comment challenging your belief here.
He’s outright said or done all of these things.
So, place your bets! What’s going to be that one announcement that suddenly makes your neighbours go all quiet?
- Repeal of the 19th amendment
- Mandatory military service
- Military sent to Ukraine
- Military sent to Gaza
- Additional protections to police
- The pardon of all January 6th rioters
- The relaxation of maximum presidential terms
- Repeal of Affordable Care Act
- Repeal of Social Security
- Increase in taxes of lowest and middle incomes
- Reduction in the minimum wage
- Shutdown of major news outlets of “reporting lies”
- Ban of reporting “bad news”
- New ability to farmers to hire for no wage
- New protections to reject hiring/customers/schooling based on colour
- Collapse of NOAA
- Atheists targeted as terrorists
- Democrats imprisoned for Socialist ties
- Mysterious disappearances of democrats
- Random deportation of American citizens for being first/second generation
- Removal of all laws related to carbon output
Yes, some of these are fearmongering but he’s made all sorts of promises and debts are due! The sky is the limit!
If you think any or all of these is going to finally get a Trump supporter to lose faith, then you failed to learn the lesson that 2016 should’ve taught you, and yesterday should’ve reminded you of - they will never lose faith. He could tell them to literally kill their own kids and they’d just say “Oh, like what God told Abraham! I’ll get right on it, my Lord!”
Doesn’t matter if they lose faith or not.
As each of these things comes to pass, as I ride this flaming dirigible into the hard earth rushing up at us, at the very least I’m going to spend that time telling the magas in my life that this is their fucking fault at every available opportunity.
Remember, our only duty now is to NEVER LET THEM LIVE THIS DOWN.
If any Nazi I know suddenly feels remorse I will straight up tell them to shut the fuck up and that i never want to hear remorse from them.
I’m going full no-contact on the conservative side of my family indefinitely.
Don’t forget what RFK might do in charge of public health. A federal vaccine ban is a nonzero possibility.
My neighbors are all republicans. Nothing will make them go quiet. Leadership could bus them and their children into a giant municipal sausage grinder and they would be babbling happily about winning right up until they died.
Repeal of the 19th amendment
The majority of white women voted for Trump. It’s the POCs that tilted against him
Military sent to Ukraine
You really think Trump is going to do that? I like your optimism.
they won’t ever see any of it even if it directly affects them. Nothing penetrates their bubble without getting warped to fit their world view. All they can latch onto is fear and hate.
As a European, I’m happy not to know what most of those mean.
0.5% of your list will happen at most. Stop your fearmongering
Pour one out for America and Ukraine, and the Middle East in general. And Taiwan.
Europe and Asia, you guys better get your shit together, we might be out of this one permanently. Or we might have a very long recovery time spanning decades. Such fucking bullshit.
I know Americans get upset when I say this to them but honestly, I think it’s the time the United States broke up, it’s too big, it’s too powerful, and as soon as someone like him gets in charge everything goes to shit.
If the United States was smaller it wouldn’t matter as much if a random dictator got in charge of a small bit of it.
Yeah, no. Our European society is in decline.
Recently we had some floodings on Valencia. We are aiming for 300 dead… In a modern society 300 dead because of a flooding, the same dead tool as in 1957 when the same area flooded. Our society is definitely failing.
Indeed. This election was won by Vladimir Putin.
Europe […] you guys better get your shit together
LMAO my guy we’re sandwiched between the US their thousands of nuclear warheads and Russia their thousands of nuclear warheads, what do you want me to do?
And Taiwan.
If there’s one thing Ds and Rs agree on, it’s the need to start a war with China
Listen to any random Trump speech, replace “migrants” with “jews” and you have a Hitler speech.
Meh, Hitler prepared his speeches thoroughly and actually knew how to hold a convincing speech
You can blame religion for trump. A rapist con man who never goes to church is their new jesus. What a fucking cult.
Don’t think it won’t happen to you. When the incoming wave of Ukrainian refugees hits Europe, the populists that have already been growing in popularity will make their move. With the U.S. fallen, a lot of money and attention has been freed up to destabilize other countries.
It’s happening in Italy. It’s happening in the Netherlands. It’s happening in France. If you think you are ready for it, remember that we thought the same.
Don’t blame it on populism. Populism is just people objecting to the ruling elite and a rigged economy. It’s right wing populism that always gets paired with nationalism and xenophobia to breed fascism. Left wing populists don’t have the same tendency.
That’s fair. I short-handed because I’m only familiar with the right wing populist parties that are currently rising in popularity, so I figured the right wing part was implied. Are there any left wing populist parties rising right now in Europe?
Aside from being aware of the rightward motion I’m not really well versed on European politics. The best we have in the US is the Working Family’s party that primarily works within the Democratic party because of our two party system.
I know Spain has done some interesting things with restructuring corporations to put workers in charge. I’m not familiar with the political landscape that made that possible.
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Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to the Workers to protect themselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there’s an org you like more near you and join it, the point is that organizing is the best thing any leftist can do.
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Read theory. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. It will help contextualize what fascism is, what causes it, and how to stop it. I can offer a good introductory reading list for Marxism if you’d like, but this is a good starting point.
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Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground.
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Be more industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well. Theory guides practice, which sharpens theory to be reapplied to better practice.
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Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. The Democrats will not save us, we must save each other.
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Be persistent. If you feel like a single water driplet against a mountain, think of the Grand Canyon. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.
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The dem message of “we won’t do better but the other guy will do worse” failed. It was a bad message and it lost them the election against a terrible candidate. Voters need to be motivated to vote and that message isn’t motivating enough
That was never the democrat’s message.
What you are describing is the disinformation that you fell for.
remind me what was their message on funding genocide, inflation and housing crisis ? sorry we might have missed it among the war criminals, millionaire celeb endorsements shoved at our faces.
I watched multiple speeches given by kamala and I watched the debate. This is the message I came away with and judging by the outcome of the election Im thinking that’s the message most people got. Intention is irrelevant perception is what matters and they failed
Except Harris did mention Trump’s age a few times (after the first debate). If you didn’t see it, you only looked at the disinformation channels, or it got drowned out by them.
Well no dems voted for Trump, and his voters don’t care about his age because it’s a cult of personality
Oh totally, attacking Trump’s age was never going to do anything, regardless of media hypocrisy; it was still righ to mention it. It’s also true that Biden was too old and people wouldn’t have voted for him.
So far it looks like that is not true. Just look at some of the swing state exit polls. Or hell that little town of 6 people that always announces first, 2020 all 6 voted Dems and this time it was 3 and 3.
Try actually looking at trends instead of a town of 6 and you won’t say this stupid shit
? I did. That was just an easy example.
I hope that sentiment keeps you warm and full when you’re in the camps.
Do you want there to be “camps” or do you not want there to be “camps”? I’m not quite sure. If you don’t want “camps” then the party opposing the republicans needs to get more votes than they did this time and using the same message or strategy again probably won’t achieve a better outcome. They need a better message, a better strategy, for all our sakes
I didn’t want camps.
#that’s why I voted for Harris
now because 20 million cucks refused to vote we get camps. we get LITERAL AMERICAN NAZIS running our country.
good job cucks, you fucked us good.
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
that whole episode is so perfectly fitted for this situation it’s depressing.
Your side lost and your throwing a hissy fit instead of figuring out how to do better next time.
I didn’t want camps.
Implying that you do want them now.
Which makes you a fascist.
You make it seem like you’ll be cheering on the nazis as long as they punish people you don’t like. Which would make you a fascist.
should the worst happen, I would send my soul to burn in hell for all eternity to extract my penance.
read into that however you will.
Keep calling your own people Nazis, it deradicalizes them from your very extreme ideas and eventually they realize most people voting for trump aren’t Nazis. The more radical you get, the more rational people flee your ideology.
This person said in another comment that they hoped the person they were replying to would get graped in a concentration camp.
Whether this person voted for kamala or not that is fascist sentiment and its disgusting
How do I request asylum in a country that doesn’t want to erase trans people?
Learn Spanish
Just move to europe and fake it til you make it. Worst case you’ll be shipped back “home” and you have to travel back to the EU again from time to time.
Seems a lot harder to get across the ocean than into Canada, but I will take any viable option at this point.
Irrelevant. The people who tried to stop it already know how Hitler came to power, and the ones who should ask how it happened — the ones you should address your post to — either don’t care or actively want another Hitler.
But hey, at least you slammed the people who tried their hardest, rather than actually address conservatives themselves, which would have required you actually confronting them. Glad you feel better, though.
I really think the Democratic establishment saw it coming and tried to stop it. What I don’t think they understand is why they failed. They seem to have a neverending capacity to delude themselves with the idea that they just didn’t “centrist” hard enough. It’s almost like they’re paid to think that.
It’s truly almost worth thinking that the DNC has been infected with loud bad faith advisors who purposefully give bad advice at the hope that they would fail, à la: Wormtongue.
But nahhh… It’s just a bunch of octogenarians with their fellow wealthy supporters kids acting as yes men that have lost all connection to the average voter.
They have everything they could want and forgot the struggle and think what’s best for them is gonna be best for the new groups who just don’t have it all yet and are trying to take it away from them before their time.
You think we’re not just as confused how it happened this time?
I’m still going to question it. We’re literally living through it and I don’t understand it.
Well you see… Kamala had no substantial policy positions that help the working class of america, she refused to challenge the status quo, mocked her supporters, and ran towards people who love trump more than life.
And then individuals instead of recognizing these facts demanded people vote for the lesser evil like it was a blessing to be able to do so besides a cross to carry and wonder why people didnt show up.
Tell me where was harris during the boeing strike?
absolutely no one acted like voting blue was a blessing and claiming that is so incredibly disingenuous. every single debate I saw here was very clear about how it is always a lesser of evils so don’t dare pretend like it wasn’t.
it’s also incredibly pathetic to claim she is status quo when douchebag deluxe has already been president once and did fuck all to help anyone but himself.
you gas bags never argue in good faith and have the memory of a broken stick.
😮💨 remind me who lost the election again by literally shedding support? Oh right you and harris.
We were never arguing with you. We. Were. Fucking. Telling. You.
I will vote third party this year because of Harris’ support for genocide. Be warned others in states you need may do the same and/or not show up.
Raaaaaarg YOU MUST VOTE LESSER EVIL.
🖕sit and spin you’ve earned it.
I’m not even American so technically you’re the one who has lost. enjoy the shit hole you’ve dug for yourself with all that lofty idealism.
No lofty idealism here, its an understanding of human behavior. Something many of you lack.
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And it’s just going to get dumber. Messing with the department of education is going to be a shit show, but Republicans do love uneducated voters.
Crazy how being the lesser evil doesn’t incentivize voters.
A black woman though? A black woman though.
… Can’t have that, can we now.
Like, what kind of name is
ObamaKamala anyway. Let’s see a birth certificate! 🔱🗽You’re right, of course, it’s simply not fair to not give some credit to America being a fundamentally racist and misogynistic country regardless of economic and geopolitical policies.
