• humdrumgentleman@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Friendly reminder of the core problem: medical treatments are all balanced against the risk of what it counteracts.

    Undergoing physical and chemical changes to grow another creature inside you and have it damage everything on the way out is pretty risky. Female birth control only has to be less risky than that.

    A male has zero physiological risk from impregnating someone. Therefore, anything except a miracle drug with high efficacy and almost zero side effects is going to stall at the trial stage.

    On another note, that speaks to how safe and effective vasectomies are.

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      1 month ago

      There are also plenty of medical reasons for even sexually inactive women to take hormonal birth control. This isn’t only about pregnancy, which as you say can have all sorts of physical consequences.

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          Not that guy, but I have one kid who I love to bits. Got a vasectomy when he was 2 years old cause we would explode if we had a second kid, lol. One is enough for us. We’ve been incredibly fortunate so we decided we didn’t need any more surprises.

          The doc who did mine was a military vet who went into urology after serving. I remember reading the pamphlet on the operation and it said the vasectomy only took 15 minutes. I asked him, “It only takes 15 minutes??” and he responded, “Eight.”

          I like a good speedrun as much as the next guy, but I told him to take his sweet time lol. Ain’t in no rush, doc.

          Recovery was super chill. Couldn’t roughhouse with my son for a week or two, and that’s about it. I’ve got some fun titanium clamps chilling in my junk now, so that’s fun. I’m basically Wolverine.

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    Not saying the pill won’t eventually appear but the track record for men contraception hitting the market is not good. It always get cancelled in an endless loop of disapointment.

    People serious about sharing the load or protecting women from the aide effect of birth control should look up vasectomy or thermal contraception. It works.

    I’ve been on thermal contraception for 6months myself and my sperm production bas completely stoped with no side effects. Highly recommend.

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        It is not in this case at least. The method relies on using a device (usually a ring) to push the testicles hiver in your body, and the temperature there is enough to stop spermatogenesis. The current method involves stopping every 3 years for at l’East 6 months to ensure production returns to normal. There is no documented side effect, though it should be noted that as always in this area, fully documented medical trial are pending. You my ne referring to other methods using higher temps or external device such as heating boxer but i have not experienced not researched those so i cannot answer you.

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      1 month ago

      for the downvoters, it’s a song from a Monthy Python movie, so comedy (and great one at that!)

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    1 month ago

    Safe, cheap, permanent but trivially reversible male birth control was invented in 1979 and has yet to be approved for US sale.

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      1 month ago

      They aren’t an alternative.

      From the website you linked’s own FAQ

      While a sleeve is non-porous and should not allow fluids to escape they have not been tested nor are they recommended to be a form of contraception.

      Yes a condom can be worn under a sleeve. Wearing one over a sleeve will not help if you are wearing it as a form of contraception.

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          Especially if it’s true. Which if they haven’t tested them, an easily probably thing to prove for them, then they should not be recommended by you, or anyone, as a contraceptive.

          It’s like my ex trying to tell her birthcontrol is working just fine because she took 3 pills at once after forgetting to take it twice in a row even though the manufacturer says if you dont follow the directions you have to start the initial waiting period over again, because “i think they have to say that” (she also used those exact words)

          Bad advice is bad advice. Why should anyone ever trust their future and also their health by listening to your advice that directly opposes the manufacturers warning. They are legally liable for their product, you are just some random person potentially ruining peoples lives with your opinions.

          I hope they sue you for damages before anyone fucks up their life by being convinced by your bad attitude

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            I mean, cotton swab manufacturers have to include an instruction not to clean your ears with their product, but let’s be real: that’s what they’re for.

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              1 month ago

              And any audiologist or ENT will back them up and also tell you not to do that and then give you examples of known reasons why they also say dont use them

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                  How is that in anyway relevant to this discussion about them as a contraceptive device???!?

                  You might as well be talking about the pull put method of contraceptive with a line like that, which is not helpful

      • 🇰 🔵 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.net
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        No one likes a raunchy coochie/schlong

        Untrue. There are some people that specifically seek that, along with the STDs called “bug chasers.” Since I’ve been cursed with this knowledge, so must you all be.

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        Honestly, I think condoms are unrealistic. Fucking with a condom is so totally useless that you almost feel a bit resentful of the woman after. Like she has bad minge or something. The first time I had sex I was a good boy and used a condom and I just quit after a while, and sat down and wondered what the fuck was wrong. She thought I’d finished.

        Saying “wear a rubber” is stupid. For a lot of people, sex with a condom is completely useless. I’ll wear one the first time with a woman as I ofc want to get imtimate, but the sex itself will be useless.

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          If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼‍♀️

          But lame ass roasting aside, being responsible during sex is important. Being able to communicate your wants and needs is absolutely necessary. I’ll tell you that I also hated condoms during sex, but it took being with my partner about six months before I felt comfortable enough to bring up a discussion about having sex without condoms. We then talked about the risks of accidental pregnancy, STDs, and my hormones and birth control. In the long term, the time period we used condoms was worth it because we learned each other’s bodies, as well as each other’s personalities. Once we did move to sex without condoms, it was sooooo much better, but we also were better communicators and the sex was wayyy more fun.

          You have to be willing to put in the time and effort and trust that leads to a real connection first.

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            If you aren’t creative enough to get off, then sex with you is probably useless too. 🤷🏼‍♀️

            But lame ass roasting aside

            Not gonna pretend that I don’t deserve it, or that I’m very polite either, but beginning every response with an insult is not some clever ‘roasting’.

            I don’t agree with you that it should take half a year of learning your partner for sex to be good. If you’re attentive and interested in getting your partner off, then you can do that the first time, or certainly atleast in a shorter time than that. But it’s going to differ between different people ofc.

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    Finally! Finally they’re trying to take the bullets out of the gun instead of trying to make a stronger bulletproof vest. I feel cautiously optimistic!

    I’m a bit jealous that there’s no side effects, though. Depo made me gain 30lbs in ONE month. I’m lucky it made my tits significantly bigger (Went from a B to a DD), but that was not a fun experience.

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    Hahahaaa I’m just waiting for Plan A honestly. It’s a 10 year injection that is 100% effective. With blocking sperm but allowing everything else.

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    When it comes to birth control for far too long women have been getting the short end of the…… oh, nevermind