there’s more than shown here and it’s more than just these users too 😭

if you find the thread don’t piss in the popcorn (brigade) but also please maybe don’t bring it back here i don’t want 400 notifications of entry level “is almond milk milk” vegan discourse

  • enkers@sh.itjust.works
    582·
    7 days ago

    Ah yeah, I’ve had an interaction with that anti-vegan user before, and let me tell ya, if you want to speedrun vegan bingo… ideal discussion partner right there.

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        6 days ago

        Unequivocally, yes you are, and at that, you’re one of the most agonizingly stubborn and disinformed ones I’ve ever talked to.

        Edit: Sharing this conversation here in the context of them being banned from /c/vegan so users can understand how completely full of shit this user is (yes, their actual argument they started at /c/vegan is that vegans starting from a position of “humans have rights” is a flawed position to start from and thus invalidates their argument for veganism):

        Conversation between commie and I after they were banned

        Edit 2: Oh, and they have this thing where they like to reply to a single comment with several comments while claiming it’s because they “don’t want to engage in a Gish gallop” (paraphrased), meanwhile facilitating a Gish gallop by making an unfollowable branching tree of comments.

        • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          110·
          6 days ago

          your link shows the same as the op thread: I’m primarily interested in a factual, scientifically accurate discussion.

          • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            6 days ago

            My link shows that you’re interested in muddying the waters by either intentionally spreading disinformation or by speaking with absolute confidence about subjects you clearly lack the capacity to understand even the most fundamental principles of.

              • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
                6·
                6 days ago

                You grasp the subject so much that you’re too fucking stupid to understand the most basic facets of supply and demand that a literal 10-year-old could understand. lmao okay

                • friendlymessage@feddit.org
                  6·
                  6 days ago

                  I’m still unsure whether they actually believe what they are saying makes any kind of sense and could actually be deemed a rational thought or whether they are just pulling our legs. Either way, engaging in any kind of discussion with them should probably just be avoided

  • Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    27·
    6 days ago

    “I’ve been sober all day.” is my new comeback when someone insults my intelligence in an argument.

  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    40·
    6 days ago

    Transcribing the conversation here:

    Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That’s completely idiotic, milk exist because there’s demand for it.

    commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it’s production?

    friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?

    commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there’s a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?

    friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?

    commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I’m trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.

    friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they’re not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there’s no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don’t have infinite resources

    commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.

    friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That… must be the dumbest discussion I’ve had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you’re sober

    commie, ↑1 ↓1: I’ve been sober all day.

    friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say

    commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I’ve said is true. you’re objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.

    friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you’re just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It’s simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won’t consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won’t produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won’t elaborate what your actual point is anyway.

    Also, not that it matters, but you’re arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.

    • ryathal@sh.itjust.works
      17·
      6 days ago

      There’s a common misunderstanding among a lot of .ml folks that markets are a capitalist thing and if you just don’t call them that then they don’t exist.

      • friendlymessage@feddit.org
        3·
        6 days ago

        In my defense: there already was a very deep comment chain before this and the whole thing was just infuriatingly stupid

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 days ago

        @friendlymessage@feddit.org is an ass about it because commie is constantly all over Lemmy defending the dairy industry in the most asinine and stubborn ways imaginable (with an air of Ben Shapiro’s “facts and logic” attitude), and it’s completely insufferable. They’re genuinely on a similar level to what UniversalMonk was on !politics@lemmy.world. Every one of their disinformation-laden arguments is trivially debunked with even five seconds of thought, but they speak on it with absolute, unwavering confidence and accept literally no evidence to the contrary when they just make shit up out of thin air (as a cherry on top, they also create untenable comment chains by posting at least two comments in response to every single one of your replies to them). They make Lemmy a worse place by being here.

  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
    293·
    7 days ago

    Both of those people are morons. One for making the argument, the other for engaging in the argument.

  • socsa@piefed.socialEnglish
    131·
    6 days ago

    You: hates milke because it is unethical

    Me: hates milk because it is fucking disgusting.

    We are not the same

    • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
      51·
      6 days ago

      me fr: hates milk because IT CURDLES SO FAST WHAT THE HELL JUST LET ME DRINK IT I BOUGHT THIS YESTERDAY

      • tooclose104@lemmy.ca
        3·
        6 days ago

        Had this start happening and got a new fridge, didn’t happen anymore. Do your veggies also spoil quickly? If so, your fridge likely be bork.

        • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
          31·
          6 days ago

          i’m exaggerating quite a bit but hope this comment is helpful for others who might be struggling with time traveling milk!

          • tooclose104@lemmy.ca
            3·
            6 days ago

            It was wild, would buy milk and a couple days later it was chunky. Fridge always felt cool. When the veggies started spoiling on a similar time scale we decided it was best to replace, thankfully had a solid landlord.

            The next time I had a bad fridge it would freeze things randomly. Milk and lettuce would freeze, but stuff next to it was fine. Figured it was haunted, bought a new one as at this point I was my own landlord.

            Moral of the story, refrigerant leaks are no joke and can do weird shit.

            • spujb@lemmy.cafeOPEnglish
              21·
              6 days ago

              omg that sounds awful i feel so blessed to have never had these refrigerator woes 🙀

    • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
      21·
      7 days ago

      What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

  • DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world
    2·
    6 days ago

    Was gonna make a blizzard joke here, but this person is so intellectual that they wouldn’t get the low-grade humor, or how milk production before markets only works if everyone works a single farm, and cannot work if the population is scaled up.