• milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    This world is full of conflicts and full of things that cannot be reconciled. But there are moments when we can reconcile and embrace the whole mess, and that’s what I mean by ‘Hallelujah.’

    His original version, recorded on his 1984 album Various Positions, contains allusions to several biblical verses, including the stories of Samson and Delilah from the Book of Judges (“she cut your hair”) as well as King David and Bathsheba (“you saw her bathing on the roof, her beauty and the moonlight overthrew you”).

    You didn’t really read your linked source, did you? It references Bathsheba but - if I understand right - isn’t really about that, per se.

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    2 months ago

    I guess I mostly relate the song to the 2011 Japan tsunami. I think it got used for montages and donation campaigns etc. in my country.

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    2 months ago

    It’s not even inspired by. It’s half a stanza in the song.

    He was using Biblical imagery in part of it to illustrate the struggle in man between the divine and the animal.

    Did you read the lyrics before posting?

  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca
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    Despite it being about sex, it’s a very popular church song by people who don’t listen to lyrics. Because of that, there’s a Christian version where the lyrics are changed to actually be about God that churches will play when people request Hallelujah to be played at their mom’s funeral.

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      2 months ago

      It’s as ironic as it is hilarious that this is considered a “Christian” version when it’s literally a song about a bible verse.

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    2 months ago

    I will take this opportunity to quote my 6th grade RE teacher, when we were talking about David and Batseba:

    Der David ist eine hinterfotzige Killersau.

    Roughly translates to "David is a backstabbing killer-pig.“ But “hinterfotzig” doesn’t really translate from German… it’s wayyy more insulting than just backstabbing. “Fotze” is German for “cunt” so you could imagine it like “backstabbing cunt” in one adjective.

    Did I mention we were in 6th grade… Funnily enough said teacher came from the nuthouse and went back there not long after.

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      2 months ago

      It’s more like “someone who’s talking behind your back”, quite literally, because “Fotzn” is just Bavarian dialect for “mouth” that has really nothing to do with female genitalia. I also don’t think it’s hugely offensive and a lot of people use the term Fotzn in various ways pretty casually in Bavaria and Austria.

      That said, it’s still a pretty weird thing to say for a teacher though, that’s for sure.

  • kakes@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    Do people really think of Hallelujah as “the song from Shrek”?

    Maybe this is my “old man tells at cloud” moment.

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      2 months ago

      Yep.

      They also think The Sound of Silence is that song by Disturbed.

      Silly kids. Get off my…um…music…

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      It’s like saying Clancy Brown, who voices Mr Krabbs.

      Whose world is just so small that a reference like THAT is the definitive work?

    • 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com
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      2 months ago

      Hell, Shrek isn’t even the movie that comes to mind in reference to this song. Comes up near the end of Lord of War.

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      2 months ago

      I’m 31, and Shrek was where I first heard this song. I would have been 9 years old.

      Obviously it’s an amazing song with a rich history and many covers. But I’ll bet that most folks my age heard it first in Shrek.

      Gen Z probably (hopefully) doesn’t associate the song with Shrek as strongly as millennials.

      My favorite cover is the one by Jeff Buckley. Though the John Cale (Shrek film) and Rufus Wainwright (Shrek soundtrack) covers are both great. Honestly, I think the original by Leonard Cohen is the least good (but still good).

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        2 months ago

        Cohen is a massively talented songwriter and poet, but IMHO, most of his songs have covers that are a lot more pleasing to listen to than his.

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        2 months ago

        Pretty much every cover, including Buckley’s, is based on Cale’s rendition.

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          There’s like a thousand covers of this song.

          K.D. Langs version was a very popular version for a while as an example

          Because ive spoke about this with many people, though its still only anecdotal so take that into consideration, most people enjoy a version of a song that made them recognize the song. Which usually means the version of a song that was done in a genre that you already listen to.

          Part of this is just what is familiar, and the covers they encounter arent in a style they enjoy anyway so the new versions have a hard time sinking in with people.

          I think a good example of this(and its another Leonard Cohen song!) is Everybody knows from Christian Slater movie Pump Up the Volume* and the soundtrack from it.

          The main character in the movie uses the Cohen version, or at least a snippit of it, frequently throughout the movie, but the version that is part of the soundtrack is the concrete blonde version. Yes the concrete blonde version is used in the movie, but the Cohen version is the version that is fundamentally connected to the story.

          If you are listening to the soundtrack and you are decently familiar with the movie, you will(probably) be left unfulfilled by just listening to the soundtrack. But if you hear the Cohen version on its own sometime, you IMMEDIATELY are reminded of the movie.

          At least thats been my experience, and most people ive shared this theory with agree with me. Admittedly more of them than i realize could just be being polite. But i urge anyone who is still reading this unintentional wall of text to watch the movie, listen to the soundtrack then just listen to the cohen version on its own

          • (which is one of my favourite movies from my teenage years, im quite curious what young people these days would think of it given the ties to the message in that movie and the world we live in with social media, but i digress)
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        I’m a millennial and don’t associate any song with any movie because the majority of those songs are just licensed and have other origins. Actually written movie scores are typically very different sounding. I think this is more a thing of being stupid rather than a generational issue.

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          The appearance on this song on the Pentatonix Christmas album is the cornerstone of my argument that Shrek is a Christmas movie. Every year I am closer to being thrown out of a family holiday meal.

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            2 months ago

            Except Hallelujah isnt a Christmas song. Its just been co-opted by christians who went “that word is in our book!”

            Its as much of a christmas song as Personal Jesus by Depeche Mode.

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      Why I was younger my buddy and I were in the music store HMV and they had Sweet Dreams playing. We both overheard a kid say “why are they playing this shitty cover song and not the Marilyn Manson version?”

      It was the Eurythmics playing… To this day I wish I found who made that comment and openly beat them in public.

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      I was barely in high school when Shrek came out. In what context was I supposed to have encountered the song before then? And what about the kids–or young adults–who were born since then? Why wouldn’t Shrek be the first place they’ve heard this song?

      It wasn’t written FOR Shrek but as an extremely popular movie aimed at a general audience it’s likely where two generations of young people first heard it.