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This only works if you go to the green countries:
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What if I go to the gray countries? Do I despawn?
You can’t go there until the next expansion.
They have deathright citizenship. You automatically become a citizen if you die in their territory.
Green: unlimited birthright citizenship Red: Limited birthright Citizenship Gray: (At least from my own country, Switzerland): No birthright citizenship
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recessive? what is recessive about this?
Your parents can take a citizenship test and you’ll automatically be a citizen as well.
Just being born here doesn’t make you a citizen. You must at the very least be able to speak the language. Having a citizenship test makes absolute sense.
Birthright citizenship is an absolutely stupid idea.
Birthright citizenship is an absolutely stupid idea.
It’s no more stupid than citizenship by descent. Why should someone get citizenship just because of the citizenship of their parents? Shouldn’t they have to live in the country? Shouldn’t they speak the language? Shouldn’t they go through the country’s school system?
Europe’s combination of freedom of movement and only Jus Sanguinis has resulted in a situation where there are lots of people with citizenship to a place they’ve never lived, and no citizenship to the place they’ve lived their entire lives.
Really though, how citizenship should be awarded depends on if it’s an obligation or an opportunity. If a country is at war and drafting all citizens of a certain age, citizenship is an obligation the state puts on its citizens. If a country is at peace and provides a social safety net to all citizens, citizenship is an opportunity for its citizens. If the world were fair, people would be able to choose whether or not they wanted citizenship when they reached adulthood. It shouldn’t be something that happened automatically to children based either on who their parents were or on where they were born.
I think that the Restricted Birthright citizenship which is most common in Europe tries to navigate somewhere between those two extremes - in it basically if you’re a Resident in that country for more than X years (from what I’ve seen usually X years is 2 years) then your children born there get citizenship.
It filters out freeloading - well-off people who have no personal investment in a country and its future and never contributed to it in any way, just flying over and having their kids there to give them citizenship - whilst still extending the same rights as locals have to those who, whilst not having the local nationality, are participating members of that society.
I think the fairest way is to give equal treatment (including giving the local nationality to their children and making it available to they themselves after a few years living there) to those who are participating members of a society but not to those who are not members of that society, and that would also mean that the fairest treatment would be that the children of local nationals who have long ago left (and the children themselves never in fact lived there) do not get that nationality automatically for merely their parents having it.
Ultimately I think nationality should be earned by living as part of a Society and when they’re born children, having not have had a chance to “earn” it, would inherited that from the or parents.
That said some level of obtaining nationality based on the nationality of one’s parents makes sense to cover the time gaps of people who moved abroad and had children there before they could qualify for the nationality of the country they were born with, since otherwise those children would be stateless.
As for the decision mechanism being “years legally living in a country” it’s just the simplest and most equal for all (passing no judgment for things like what people do for a living) way of judging “participating in that Society” whilst only excluding people who were neither invited in nor taken in because they’ve truly need help (i.e. it’s only for legal immigrants and refugees).
Either no data or they do not have birthright citizenship
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Red is restricted. Gray is most likely just no birthright citizenship.
It’s pretty telling about how much Americans know about other countries that the assumption is that Jus Soli is the norm.
Chile would be good. It has a fairly strong passport, which I believe is stronger than the USA one in 2025 (before Trump), since it can still travel to the EU visa free.
Onward to Canada!
You know they hate you right?
I know Canadians.
This guy gets all his experience with Canadians from the internet
Literally. Nothing inspires me to go to Canada or like Canadians what-so-ever.
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Didn’t they just elect a fairly liberal president?
They just elected Claudia Sheinbaum, who is seen as being extremely close to the outgoing president AMLO. Some people were suggesting that she was so close to him that it was really his way of getting another term as president, similar to how Putin stepped down as president of Russia to become PM while Dmitry Medvedev became president in name only.
How true is that? It’s hard to say. My guess is that a lot of it is sexism, thinking that a woman can’t think for herself and a woman president will turn to someone else for the important decisions.
But, it’s true that under AMLO, there was a lot of democratic backsliding in Mexico. OTOH, Mexico has been dominated by PAN and PRI for decades. In fact, PRI won 14 elections in a row between 1928 and 1994. It wasn’t until Vincente Fox in 2000 that PAN was even a factor. So, there’s a lot of the power structures in Mexico geared towards supporting PRI and PAN.
They were probably undermining a lot of the things AMLO wanted to accomplish. If he had followed all the rules and norms he might not have been able to accomplish anything because the establishment would have blocked everything he tried to do. That doesn’t excuse his rule and law breaking, but it does contextualize it.We’ll see what happens with Sheinbaum. I, for one, am fucking thrilled that Mexico’s president has a PhD in energy engineering. The fact she’s a woman is also historical, but to me the doctorate is more important.
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Kks (aka. AMLO) is still living inside Palacio Nacional
Do you have any evidence for that? Because it sounds like an unhinged conspiracy theory. The official story is that he’s writing his book from his estate in Chiapas. But, maybe you have proof that isn’t true?
from there he’s still giving her instructions and telling her what to do and say
Again, any evidence for that? Or is it just “everybody knows she can’t think for herself”.
they were ordered to give the vapes back to the black market because his son wanted that control
Ok… again, any evidence or is this just what your brother’s cousin’s best friend’s dog heard on Facebook?
Oh yes, a PhD she cheated to get
Again… any evidence for these claims?
most of those claims aren’t hard to find, but, again, you have to speak spanish
The claims aren’t hard to find, but what about the proof? Si tienes pruebas, muestramelas. And, I’m not talking youtube videos, actual proof, because you really sound unhinged.
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Yep, sounds like someone who is deep in the grips of a conspiracy theory. Someone challenges their absolute batshit claims and rather than actually look at how absolutely insane they sound, they accuse the other person of being a “propaganda account”.
Seek help man.
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You got a very loose concept of “nazi”
You are aware I’m talking about birthright citizenship here yes?
I in fact did not.
Haha, that’s not how it works outside the US.
*for the most part.
Some places it does.
TIL the rest of the Americas don’t exist
OP said “overseas”. Generally Canada and Mexico aren’t considered “overseas” from the US, since you can drive there. Probably most people would consider South America to be “overseas” from the US, but I think it’s more commonly used for routes that involve crossing an ocean: Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.
As much as people are criticizing the proposed changes to this concept in the US, yes, this is true. In many countries that are arguably more free and democratic than the US even, this is not the way citizenship works and the post comes off as uninformed.
While I agree most countries aren’t like this, most countries also weren’t beacons for immigration. I get where OP is coming from. The US didn’t have a smooth transition from “come on all in yall” to “gtfo” so the jarring realities creates sense for the meme, even if it hits the wrong mark.
Doesn’t work in most countries. Being stateless isn’t very fun.
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The mother or the father, and it depends on circumstances. The rules are more strict when the father is the US citizen.
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Not to be rude, but where did you get that info? It isn’t correct. Doesn’t it sound a little too oversimplified for something like birthright citizenship laws in the US?
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Here’s the law if you’re interested in learning about it: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-3
It’s pretty easy to understand. It depends on a few different things - you can be born to a US mother and not be a citizen, or to a US father and get citizenship through him. It depends on marriage status and there are different residency requirements for different situations. Those requirements are different depending on which parent is the US citizen too.
Is birth citizenship that common? Won’t work here in Germany for example…
Literally zero European countries do it. It seems to be in the Americas only, and Chad and Tanzania. The concept that this is some human right apparently only applies to he US.
None in Europe
Well your kid won’t get citizenship, but you’ll be able to afford to birth them.
That isn’t the plan you think it is. The US is an outlier in terms of granting birthright citizenship. Most countries - and particularly, most developed countries - do not do this.
Canada, Mexico and a lot of South America countries do this.
And if you believe any of them are safe territory when it comes to what our batshit government might do, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn looking for a buyer.
I hope Canada is safe, becauseI live there.
Don’t look too closely at your southern neighbor, it might be alarming.
I try not to.
I have one in Arizona - trade?
I have one in Arizona - trade?
No need to go overseas, almost all countries with birthright citizenship are in the Americas.
Imagine US citizens flying abroad to have anchor babies.
And failing at it because most other countries don’t have birthright citizenship 😂
Don’t choose Germany, though, we (and a lot of nations, actually) still for some reason have citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century, not citizenship-by-birthplace laws.
No European country has unrestricted jus soli for nationality. Ireland was the last one to restrict nationality by-soil to children of long term legal residents, which is the same as Germany.
I wish. My ancestors moved to the US from Germany in the 19th or early 20th century, but I’m pretty sure I’m not eligible for German citizenship.
Why would you be?
Because that’s what true “citizenship-by-blood/heritage laws more or less straight out of the 19th century” would imply.
Because their family has lived in Germany for a hundred years and they have no link to another place in living memory?
Most US-american families haven’t lived in the US for 100s of years, but they’re still US-americans, not Irish, Spanish, German etc.
No European country has it. And no neither of those laws are more specifically “19th century” than the other, considering they are both much much older than that. Perhaps you should read up on history for a bit before making uninformed blanket statements like that?
Also airlines won’t let a pregnant woman travel at that point
A quick internet search suggests 36 weeks (eight months), which is well into the third trimester, is the most common start of restrictions, and many airlines will accept a doctor’s note the woman is low risk even past that. It was a 2008 election blip when the media got ahold of Sarah Palin flying while in labor because she wanted her special-needs baby delivered by the medical team that had prepared for him, which suggests even the written restrictions in airline policy are not consistently enforced.
Is that true? Sounds kind of discriminatory.
Certainly you can, but a lot of hurdles to restrictions. And most obgyns won’t approve you if you have any risk factors.
The better term might be “abroad”, rather than “overseas”. Because Jus Soli is a concept that exists mostly in the Americas. So you’d better not cross over the Atlantic or Pacific sea for this plan.
Hah! Good luck finding one
It’s a good era in which to not have children. Expect a lot of forsaken children.
Also expect some coerced birthing programs such as the Leibensborn program (which was also an excuse to recruit young women as sex slaves for the Schutzstaffel ) and the offspring were supported by the state and raised by the single mothers.
This is the program that inspired the Handmaid program in Margaret Atwood’s Gilead, in A Handmaid’s Tale
And J. D. Vance is super thirsty for it, as is countless other Freedom caucus and MAGA Republican officials.
ETA That said, it might be a good time to get sterilized and commit to not having kids. (That doesn’t mean you won’t have chances to parent)
Counterpoint:if all leftists don’t have kids, then conservatives will end up as the entire next generation. Not to like say, definitely have kids, but anti kid propaganda only hurts us
That’s literally the very premise of “Idiocracy” you just described, btw.
There will be a lot of prodigal kids raised in conservative families who stay conservative. But then there will be a lot of kids who will be taught conservative values yet find as they grow up that those values don’t include them or friends, and they end up going through an identity crisis.
Adult children of conservative families grow up liberal or even radical left as they do conservative kids. There are enough unhappy childhoods to assure that’s the case.
We’re seeing this play out in Japan, which not only informs their population implosion, but also their significant rise of demographics like herbivore men who realize they’ve been culled out of the salaryman positions and are not going to be able to follow the path their parents set for them, so they stay single, and live on their own terms, even if meagerly. There is also a strong and rising feminist movement that’s emerged from a majority conservative population.
We don’t recognize birthright citizenship. You’ll have to fill in the paperwork like everyone else.
Do not do this. American passports are the easiest to exchange for another countries citizenship, but one of the hardest to get.
