I’m done, I’ve been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone), I’ve been accused of evading a ban with multiple accounts (this is my only account I’ve ever had on any lemmy instance), I’ve had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I’ve had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.
Reddit has many issues with trolls, one-sided discussion, and just general bullshit, but many Lemmy instances are way worse. The newfound freedom of Lemmy has attracted many extremists, from both sides, and many of them are moderators, who are more than happy to remove any contrarian opinions. This results in discussions being echo chambers
Lemmy (and reddit to a degree) is not like other social networks where you are lumped into one giant community. It’s many communities, and you’ll find that you are welcome in some and not welcome in others. That includes your politics and your views.
I don’t think I’d be very welcome in a community of conspiracy nuts, especially when I counter everything they say. I think they would remove me from that community at some point, and that’s okay, self policing of communities is okay. Sometimes you aren’t welcome.
Yes and that’s what I like about Lemmy. Each community decides what it’s about and how it’s members behave. It’s not much different from communities in real life.
What if they block you but coin themselves “the last bastion of free speach.”
Then you were most likely blocked from a far-right-wing instance. Take it as a badge of honor.
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. This happens all the time and they’re just plain old hypocrites about it.
And everyone says to just ban or block, but the problem is they’re brainwashing people that don’t know to look out for it They need to not exist; not for us to just hide from them.
Thank you for this post. It’s become unbearable and I felt like I was in a tiny minority for feeling this way.
My reasoning is that the people should be the “mods” essentially. If one community gets blocked by the majority of the people, then it might as well not exist. It will eventually die out through not enough people upvoting/downvoting, commenting, and basically interacting with them at all. The “any publicity is good publicity” saying applies to anything on the Internet.
Is this an unpopular opinion? My block list on Lemmy is like 4 times bigger than it was on Reddit.
And it grows every day. WHY can’t I just FUCKING BLOCK an instance yet! I guess shitjustworks doesn’t fucking work.
Edit: there is nothing worth seeing on blahaj.zone, ani.social, or hexbear. Period. Who will rid me of these meddlesome instances.
There was a post recently from your admin stating they would be updating soon.
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Oh, Lemmy is much worse in this regard. There are a lot of “normal” discussions on reddit, with a lot of “normal” users participating in them. Here the ratio of extremists is much higher.
I’m guessing this ban was on lemmy.ml? They’ll ban you for not sucking Xi Jinping’s peepee enthusiastially enough.
I agree, it is impossible to hold a contrarian view in a lot of subs. The mods and the user base on Lemmy have a very narrow range of their views than the spectrum that you find on Reddit. It is basically an echo chamber in a lot of subs.
The active user base is also soo much smaller that a handful of posters can be seen in certain subs. I see the same people posting over and over at a much higher rate than I saw on Reddit.
So are you posting good content to help the issue? Or are you just posting “contrarian” opinions?
I’ve never had a problem being banned and I argue with Tankies and Right Wing Chuds all the time (well I mostly just block the Chuds). It sounds like your comments are just bad enough to warrant a block.
I have detailed comments about how both Hamas and the IDF are bad. Here’s one: “Hamas is a criminal organization that is terrible at government. It’s Israel’s fault for letting them grow to be so dangerous. The IDF and Hamas are both bad for the people of Palestine and Israel.”
No ban!
In my experience your views aren’t really contrarian to that of the majority of Lemmy users and mods. Your pretty mainstream and vanilla here.
Try taking a pro Israel stance or pro 2A stance and see how long it will be until you are banned even if you follow all sub rules.
Why would I take a pro-death stance? If you are being dumb, people are going to tell you. Welcome to the real world. Free speech doesn’t mean people have to listen to you.
Thank you for making my point for me.
Here are some small pieces of advice for you, and anyone else who is interested:
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Block Lemmygrad.ml, because fascists.
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Block Lemmy.ml, because admins are fascists.
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Block Hexbear.net, because fascists and trolls.
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Block any user from Lemmygrad.ml, Hexbear.net, and the usual suspects from Lemmy.ml.
That’s it. 90% of toxicity is no more.
You have a strange definition of fascism. I’ve poked around in those instances to see what the fuss is about. They’re super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism. They’re something weird, but they’re definitely not fascists.
They aren’t left in any meaningful way. Let alone far left. What they are is wildly hypocritical and authoritarian. While they are technically not fascists. Realistically they’re nearly identical. They are both both authoritarian ideologies. With no room for any meaningful right or left. And should you dissent you will find yourself silenced or killed just the same as any other authoritarian/fascist government structure.
No, that’s not really correct. They’re pro-democracy since true communism requires democracy. They believe western governments have been captured by capitalists and therefore need to be opposed. That’s why they tend to cheer for authoritarian regimes because they’re fighting what they consider to be the good fight. They believe that once western capitalism has been defeated, communism can finally flourish, since the only reason communist governments are authoritarian is to protect themselves from the west.
They sure like to glorify countries that will arrest or kill you for being gay. So there’s that.
They’re super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism.
They deleted a comment in which I quoted the first line of the Wikipedia article on social democracy. The reason given was “misinformation”.
Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, forcible suppression of opposition.
I can very much see how that would apply.
They support Russia and the CCP, both of which have the warning signs of Fascism. Even if you want to call it something else, doesn’t change that it’s terrible.
They idolize left authoritarians. And their talking points are summed up by if “the west” says it, the opposite is true. And they will argue with you.
So fascism is a term that is thrown around incorrectly a lot, blocking these people does help improve your Lemmy experience.
Based on my observations, some of them support present and past left-authoritarians, but most don’t. They’re definitely critical of the west, but I think there’s room for that criticism here.
It’s kind of funny when they post about Ukraine. They’re anti-NATO and anti-Putin, so they sometimes seem confused which side they’re on.
That is your confusion, my friend. You think you have to pick one of two sides, and they know differently.
2 party conflicts generally have 2 sides to choose from. I’d like to support Poland in the war between Ukraine and Russia but the mechanics of the act aren’t readily apparent.
Right. It’s not a 2-party conflict. There are two countries, but within each country are many groups of people with wildly different priorities.
For example… Does a military general worry much if one farm house is destroyed? Of course not. But the farmer sure does. We can argue about whose fault it is, Russia or Ukraine, but that doesn’t bring back the property.
Sure, but subdividing isn’t particularly useful in this case. Russia quashes dissent with jail time, effectively creating a cohesive group through violence. Ukraine is a united front because it has to be. If someone were to begin talking about dissidents, that’d be an entirely different, and valuable, conversation. Speaking about the farmer whose barn was torched and grain stolen is still, to most, just talking about Ukraine.
Yeah it’s actually refreshing to see their pov on things, don’t always agree but they bring up good points
hexbear in particular is very supportive of marginalized groups and positive in general. I’m glad lemm.ee didn’t defederate with the ml boogeymen
I put up with hexbear for awhile, but I ended up blocking them eventually.
Sure, they don’t mind explaining their points if you’re careful about asking. But god forbid you express disagreement. If you aren’t with them completely, you’re a fascist.
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I don’t think there is anything reddit could do to draw me back. It’s digg all over again.
Digg is ironically decent as a random article curating site now, no voting or anything just whatever the owner wants up.
I just got banned from blahaj for suggesting we should show understanding to rightwing people, because they view the left in the same way as we view them. It creates more division for no reason other than being unwilling to communicate.
Reason: Bigot
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It’s not the same view if one is defensive and the other is offensive. You don’t communicate a Nazi out of being a Nazi, it takes a willingness to hear things that are hard to hear. It’s commonly referred to as the just world fallacy and they don’t just need to be communicated with, they need therapy.
Well precisely. But how can you expect them to become willing if you just hurl insults back at them. They will assume you are exactly the person you think they are and isolate themselves further in that community. I’m not saying fight hate with love, but no progress can be made without a willingness to communicate.
You’re spot on correct. Lemmy has become a safe-haven for both tankies, and right-with trolls disguising themselves as tankies. And if you find yourself responding to some of their propaganda in the wrong community/instance…. It’s an insta-ban. No questions asked or answered. No appeal.
It’s as bad if not worse than Reddit, but there’s not as many bots here. So… it’s a 50/50.
What lemmy has going for it, is that it’s new. I consider it to be in the formative rebellious phase and I hope things even out and the hive starts to become more reasonable. As things seem, it’s slowly happening as more and more of the kids that whine and complain about bOtH siDeS and gEnOciDe jOe are being downvoted a lot more.
So there’s hope.
You’re spot on correct. Lemmy has become a safe-haven for both tankies, and right-with trolls disguising themselves as tankies. And if you find yourself responding to some of their propaganda in the wrong community/instance…. It’s an insta-ban. No questions asked or answered. No appeal.
Ohhhh nooooo. Whatever will we do without your rationalization of genocide and blocking strikes?
The better question is, what will we do without your manufactured outrage?
Buddy, manufactured or not I’m not voting for Biden again. I’ll be voting 3rd party or write in. If you think Biden needs my vote to defeat Trump then you best get on Biden to start compromising with leftists and progressives.
It’s truly crazy to me how you all think that continuing to repeat the same tired arguments is going to change our minds. It won’t. It’s time to focus your energy on something that might have an effect. Try calling out moderates for refusing to compromise. Call Biden out for refusing to compromise.
Not voting for the lesser of two evils leaves room for the greater of two evils to take root
The people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries voted for the greater evil.
Block whole communities. That’s what I started doing. There’s one instance that I would like to block but that feature isn’t available yet as far as I’m aware. Reddit was the same way around 10 years ago, it’s been pruned and censored to the point where it’s more appealing to the average worldwide user. I don’t want that to happen to Lemmy; not to sound dismissive, but utilize your block list instead of calling for more/better mods.
I’ve blocked at least 50 porn communities in the last 5 months. Probably more.
Hold up… If this is your one and only Lemmy account, and it’s banned… How are you making this post?
According to the modlogs: the only action ever taken against you by a mod or admin was having a single post removed. I don’t agree with the reason that it broke rule 1 though… I don’t agree with what you said because it’s misinformed, but what you said was not racist.
So you’re lying either about not having other accounts and evading a ban, or about how you’ve been banned or how often you’ve had content removed.
Modlog is weird. There is a possibility he’s been banned from an instance and that’s what he meant.
When I was banned from StarTrek.Website I had no idea. It didn’t show in Lemmy.world logs, only ST.W ones
Edit: Yep. He was banned from lemmy.ml. Funny enough, that should actually improve his lemmy experience.
As a leftist I absolutely concur with your assessment. The only time I go to .ML is on accident. And I’m usually down voted. Though I do get a good chuckle on the off instance I’m not.
Same experience here. Leftist who has studied political science and economics. I have very gently corrected some of the century-old, outdated leftist dogma on .ml and get nothing but bans for it.
They have pretty much been completely hijacked by right wing trolls, and it’s frankly incredible that the few remaining actual leftists can’t see it.
Banned from Lemmygrad Lite? What a terrible loss!
Seems like a pretty objective open minded comment to me, I wonder what they replied to.
I looked up rule 1 if lemmy.ml: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
The code of conduct is that of Lemmy org, I never read it till now and I’m very disappointed by the next part: “Remarks that moderators find inappropriate, whether listed in the code of conduct or not, are also not allowed.”. Basically total mod discretion, so by extension, “rule 1” of lemmy.ml also boils down to total mod discretion.
According to the code of conduct, there’s also supposed to be first warnings, temporary bans and the chance for repeals according to the code of conduct. Which does sound nice, but I wonder if it’s also done in practice in some Lemmy communities. It seems pretty hard to provide a system for this that is not based on happenstance. Does anyone have experience with this?
Yep, Lemmy is very un-diverse in its struggle to embrace diversity.
Diverse how?
